Supreme Court Outrages Republicans With Split Decision Ruling

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  1. Kal'Stang

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    LINK: Supreme Court Outrages Republicans With Split Decision Ruling (msn.com)

    I agree with the Courts decision. States have always been able to regulate most (there are limits of course) commercial products in their own areas. Iowa farmers do not have to sell to California after all.

    However, I do expect pork products to become even more expensive. Which is sad really considering how expensive it is to begin with. I saw a 5lb ham being sold at my local Super 1 for $56. Doubt I'm ever going to be able to afford ham again myself. And I don't even live in California.
     
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    The FDA should have guidelines all states must meet.
     
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  4. Kal'Stang

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    I disagree. The FDA shouldn't even be making regulations to begin with. Regulations are nothing more than laws, and last I checked law making ability belongs strictly to the Legislative Branch, not the Executive Branch.
     
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    I agree in principle- the states have the authority to regulate their own food. However, its not outside the realm of possibility that some state may in the future decide it doesnt want people eating a certain thing, and increases regulations to a point that it becomes impossible to produce or obtain. I dunno where the line would be drawn, but I dont think the constitution was meant to allow something like that to happen.
     
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    Lol…like the rightwing attack on a state’s right to set their own abortion laws, eh?
     
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    We need the exact opposite. The FDA shouldn't exist. It is not a constitutional power of federal government. That function belongs in the states.
     
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    It would be fine for Iowa to ban food "imports" from California. These powers belong in the states. The Supreme Court did it right.
     
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    Interstate commerce should be a federal responsibility but like the interstate highways.
     
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    Yes like that. And like CA/NY want with gun laws. At a certain point, 'regulations' can become a defacto ban. I dunno what a good, objective metric would be for when that point is reached, but there has to be some sort of check against it.
     
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    Congress has delegated that authority many times.
    Does it make sense that Congress should be making rules on drug or food safety or should it be experts in those areas?
     
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    I think pork products may become more expensive specifically in California, but not necessarily among the other states. Pork producers who are outside of California will simply choose to not sell in Calfornia, but everywhere else. So, there will be two dynamic shifts, one in California, and one for the rest of the country. The proposal said that all pork products sold in California must comply with the law. So, if a pork producer does not want to sell their pork products to California, it won't ship those products to that state. And the meat processing companies can do that with relative ease in how they use batch processing in packaging and shipping said products.
     
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    Per the Constitution they do not have that authority. The Constitution clearly outlines the authority of each branch of government. Only one branch has the authority to make laws.

    Congress's investigative authority is there for more than just investigating the opposition. With your logic then Congress shouldn't be making rules on ANYTHING as the only thing they are "expert" in is ************ everyone.
     
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    Yes it is, except this is intrastate commerce. The way the proposition is read, it is all products sold within California. Thus, producers outside of California can choose not to ship their products to California if those producers do not wish to do so. And that is why the Supreme Court ruled the way it did.
     
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    100% this. That 4 of the judges decided that the state shouldn’t be able to have their own laws tells you just how corrupt the court is.
     
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    :rolleyes: Different pov =/= corrupt.

    As noted in the OP, I agreed with the majority on this. But I can also understand the reasoning behind the minority pov also. What CA is doing is attempting to regulate how people in other States conduct their business. And that would be a Constitutional violation if that was the only thing considered. We all know that many Pols in California believes its better than the vast majority of States. That it is a trend setter. That what they do should be done in every other State. So we know the intent of California with this law. But as those on the left love to point out...the intent of the law written, doesn't always coincide with how it is written and its legitimacy.
     
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    Congress should be making LAWS

    For example it was a law that created the FDA, in that law they left it up to the FDA to make the regulations. Every time a new drug is made you think it should be run past Congress for approval?
     
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    Those are bare minimum.
     
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    Approving a drug =/= making regulations. Now, the FDA making a regulation on how meat is processed, that would be making a regulation. And yes, Congress SHOULD be the ones to decide whether or not that regulation should be put into effect. Because it is Congress who represents the States and The People. The FDA does not. It is the people in Congress who are supposed to know what is and isn't good or even possible in their, and for their, respective districts. The FDA does not.

    And regulations ARE laws. They have the same effect and same force is applied to enforce them.
     
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    So what.
    We as consumers want safe to eat food.
     
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    Abortion was never a LAW or right. Daaaayyyyyuuuumm!
     
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    judge's POV is not allowed.
    Laws and constitutional rights is their job.
     
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    I wouldn't waste much time on this, most of our pork comes from China.. DON'T even look in to it, just cook it low and slow and eat it, really, you don't want to know any more than that!
     
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    ??? Huh?

    Yes? And?
     
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    So Congress should decide what levels of chemicals are acceptable in processing food.
    Congress should decide what levels of arsenic should be allowed in our drinking water.
    Congress should decide how much pollutants a company should be allowed to pump into the air

    Even if the vast majority of people in Congress have no idea on how any of this works.
     

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