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RFK on gun control. FINALLY...

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by modernpaladin, Jun 29, 2023.

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you dont think vaccine manufacturers being exempt from damages liability while funding the bulk of the 'research' that govt agencies use to regulate them represents enough of a threat to vaccine safety/efficacy to even bother to listen to what RFK, a renouned fighter of corporate corruption in the environmental sector, has to say about it. ...as evidenced by your regurgitation of the ignorant talking point that he's an 'anti-science' 'anti-vaxxer'.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I support Trump in public. I just wish he was as intelligent as he thinks he is. Trump is all instinct. RFK actually knows and understands whats going on.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    RFK seems to be under the impression that the CIA had something to do with his uncles assassination. I figure thats as good as any motive to take on the deep state. I figure its also a good sign that he's a very brave man...

    But ya, him or Trump, its a tough call. I'd like to think Trump learned some valuable lessons his first four years... but he's so damn stubborn. I mostly want him to win because of how bad the entrenched bureaucracy doesnt want him to run. But thats just not a good reason with someone like RFK in the mix.

    ...and ya, as another poster suggested, RFK might just be too good to be true. But theres only one way to find out.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    So in regards to the OP RFK had something to say about "assault weapons" during his recent townhall with NewsNation. When asked if he would ban assault weapons he said "If we can get a consensus on it, if Republicans and Democrats agreed and it passed Congress, I would sign it".

    Now many on Twitter who were in support of him are blowing a head gasket over this claiming to withdraw their support after he made that statement. At the risk of sounding like a pure apologist for the guy this is what I THINK he was trying to say based on statements he's made before regarding gun control and other issues. He believes in democracy and not ruling by edict meaning if both Republicans AND Democrats could somehow come together and agree to something and it makes it to his desk then it's not his place to veto the decision of the elected Congress. He doesn't SEEM to personally support banning semi-auto rifles based on past comments on the issue but if it were a bi-partisan agreement by BOTH parties then he wouldn't be the one to stand in the way.

    I have no idea if that's what he actually meant however. This question was pitched to him by the interviewer with roughly 10 seconds left in the segment giving him only enough time to make that statement and not go into more detail. I will reserve passing full judgement on his stance until I hear him give a thorough explanation the way has done with many of his other statements. I'm sure he will be asked that question again soon with more time to elaborate on his response. For a man who has consistently stated that "something" changed in our society recently to cause these mass shootings that never used to happen before when he was a kid with shooting clubs in schools and other nations with high amounts of guns without the high amount of mass shootings it doesn't make sense for him to turn around and say yeah lets ban assault rifles because that's the problem. But I could be wrong...
     
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    @Nightmare515 ...... yeah, I think you nailed it.

    It's still early, and I could change my mind, but RFK Jr. is only the 4th person I've actually ever wanted to vote for, and the first from either major party.
     
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    anyone who supports banning any firearm (hand held weapons firing inert projectiles) is someone I will never vote for.
     
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    RFK is a spoiler, not a real candidate.
     
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    For me personally it's a near the top of my hierarchy of policies but it's not necessarily the hill I'm ready to die on if the rest of the policies are solid. That statement of his did raise my concerns but his previous statements on the issue were completely rational and valid and didn't include that so I'm waiting for him to give a more thorough explanation. So far I've seen a total of 2 instances where he mentioned banning semi-auto rifles at all. One was the aforementioned 10 second response and the other was another 10 second response as part of a "rapid fire" Q&A by another podcast where he made the exact same statement. I'd like see him given the adequate time and opportunity to thoroughly explain his position as he's done with his vaccine stances, foreign policy, drug use, etc. I've yet to see that regarding a proposed rifle ban.
     
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    sadly, any democrat is going to appoint the judges (mainly) and justices (usually) that their party wants and those will be gun banning twits like Kagan. So until that changes, I won't ever support a Democrat because judicial picks is my main issue
     
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    Which is completely understandable and valid. We've just seen the sheer importance of having a strong Supreme Court as demonstrated with the recent rulings. The SC is "boring" to a lot of folks and not really thought about because they aren't usually involved with the hot button issues of the day. But in the long run having a solid Court that is in support of the Constitution is arguably the most important aspect of the entire government. As demonstrated by the MSM with their hilarious recent headlines talking about "The Supreme Court is trying to take Executive Power away from the Oval Office".

    No, the SC is checking the Executive Office and ensuring it doesn't overstep the boundaries of it's authority set forth by the US Constitution as is there literal job.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They said the same about Trump.
     
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    That's why even if Trump runs again I probably will not be able to vote for him.

    He was not exactly second amendment friendly
     
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    tRump was more surprised than anyone else when he won.
     
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    I certainly wish we could trust scientists, but they are just not worthy of trust -- especially during a "replication crisis". Alas.

    “Scientists with pitchforks, torches and battering rams are threatening to storm the SOS headquarters in the wake of our item Thursday headlined "Many scientific studies can't be replicated. That's a problem."

    Their message: It's just the psychologists! Not us! Our work is super-reproducible! Don't lump us in with those squishy psycho-babbling crypto-phrenologists! (I'm paraphrasing liberally.)

    The dyspeptic scientists have a point: The study published Thursday in the journal Science looked only at psychology experiments. Our headline generalized the issue.”

    “And by the way: If you made a list of major science retractions, controversies and embarrassing episodes in recent years, you'd see a full range of disciplines in the mix.”
    The Washington Post, Science, No, science’s reproducibility problem is not limited to psychology, By Joel Achenbach, August 28, 2015.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ibility-problem-is-not-limited-to-psychology/

    Blind faith In scientists is anti-science.
     
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    Probably not as surprised as Space biDet when he " won "
     
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    no but his judges are and if it comes down to him and the senile puppet, Trump's the only choice. that being said, I hope the GOP nominees someone else-someone with far less baggage
     
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    I would love to see my fine Governor become president.

    I don't know if you remember seeing me speak of this in the past or not.... After the hurricane here last September which caused record level floods on the Peace River, DeSantis came to town and gave a press conference.

    Some of the citizens who were trapped by flood waters out in the county, could only come and go by boat. They told the governor how they were running out of gas for their generators.

    My boss man owns everything in the store and has since before I was born, but the oil company still owns the building.

    He told me that the oil company that owns the place got a call from the governor himself and said you make sure those people in DeSoto county have gas. The very next day we had gas as normal.

    Now we're not a big city or a large population county, but the governor listened to people and he made it happen.

    That's what we need in Washington right there
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds to me like he's saying 'gun control doesnt work, but if everyone wants it, I wont stand in the way', possibly with a bit of (and there wont be enough support for it anyway).

    I don't think his 'We need a nation of minutemen!' uncle would be entirely proud of that position... but he is trying to politically unite the fringes, one of which has been indoctrinated for decades that guns are the source of all our woes... so I get it.

    I still really wanna vote for him.
     
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    I wonder if Trump would choose him to be VP? It woukd be hard to say no, given the 2028 race will be starting Feb 1, 2024.
     
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    To have the Southern border open and the US citizens unarmed sounds very present day Democratic Party
     
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    The fact that he could stand firm in his beliefs and principles as the "elite" mocked him because of his strong concerns regarding vaccinations...leads me to believe he's a worthy and respectable opponent. I remember that hoopla years ago.....
     
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    Oh! I agree he is a nut job - I just disagree with which bits make him a nutjob
     
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    Tells ME he thinks he knows more than the vast majority of the medical profession. This guy has blood on his hands. Children have DIED because he convinced people that diseases like measles were less dangerous than the vaccines that prevent them. America lost so many people it did not need to lose during COVID - you do not want to go through that again
     
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    I think someone who has no real grounding in immunology should listen to those that do
     
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    Yeah! Suuuure!
     
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