A typical response from 2A supporters

Which has nothing to do with how the government treats the Bill of Rights.

You don't have to follow any religion to do the right thing.

 

No, but you do have to abide by natural law if you want to do the right thing.

Or, when is it right to lie, cheat, steal, or kill people?

 

1. When your wife asks if her dress makes her look fat.
2. For personal gain, never. I would offer "to when a fight you didn't initiate".
3. For me personally, I can't think of a situation.
4. In wartime or in defense of innocents.

 

Do you mean in defense, which is the only instance in which equal force may be employed against an offender but only so long as the offensive use of force continues?

If so, you got that right.

 

I don't consider self defense and the defense of innocents to be limited to "equal force". If you find yourself in a fair fight you've messed up royally.

 

You cannot legitimately shoot some body that punches you in the face. I do agree to some extent.. If it is an argument it is an argument, if it is fist fight it is a fist fight, if it is a bat fight it is a gun fight , if it is a knife fight it is a gun fight, if it is a gun fight put em down with your first shot.

 

I can if I am confined to a wheelcrair, and he's 6-8" 275lbs.

 

I seem to recall a Jewish thing from the bible called Law of the pursuer, a rodef in Hebrew English.

Here is the wiki quiky on that-

A rodef (Hebrew: רודף, lit. "pursuer"; pl. רודפים, rodfim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is "pursuing" another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be stopped—even killed—by any bystander after that pursuer has been warned and refuses to stop.

So there is biblical basis for self defense. Not precisely on topic, sorry.

 

I'm not going to judge that one but I suspect you could.

 

Not if you punched him first.

That's as deep as i care to delve into that one.

 

I should have had that in quotes in my above post, that a Wikipedia quote. And I was mistaken, law of the pursuer is found in the Talmud, not the bible. It seems to me to have been inferred from 613 Comandments found in the bible book Exodus. I gotta admit I don't know too much about it.

 

Doesn't change the fact that I can shot him if he punches me, contrary to the claim I responded do.

 

I did, it was ruled completely justifiable.

 

I never thought of it that way, but why else would they want the guns?

 

What would they do with freedom? They have no imagination at all.

 

Okay, what are the preconditions in the right to self defense for employing deadly force?

In your opinions.

 

They fear freedom and liberty. I don't believe that it is because that they think they might be injured physically, I think it is because they fear their precious feeling might get hurt. I mean, if somebody suffers the consequences of their actions they seem to think it's a tragedy. And, if somebody benefits from the consequences of their actions it is unfair.

These are the same people who learned from teacher in grade school that you can't bring cupcakes to class unless you bring enough for everyone and jimmy cut himself so nobody but teacher can use scissors.

 

State laws are more or less the same:
You face a clear, present and immediate threat of bodily harm, or death.
Most states extend this to "others" facing the same threat.
Some states allow the use of deadly force in the defense of property.

 

Okay, I find your innocent curiosity a little suspect, but the source of the number of guns is here. I can see suspicion, but they would be more motivated to inflate the number rather than diminish it, would they not, if untrue.

The 20% was from memory of an estimate I read a while back, but Google can be your friend and this source says 22%.

 

The way I see it, the violation or attempted violation of the specific Right to Life is a prerequisite for the privilege of using lethal force when practicing the Right to self-defense.

Texas allows lethal force in defense of property, but only in certain instances.

 

So you get scenarios like: Subject A starts altercation with unarmed B, fight ensues and A begins to lose fight but is armed so he shoots and kills B.......George Zimmerman walks.

 

Your willful misrepresentation of the facts and events says all that needs be said.

 

Losing a fight and having your brains dashed out against the pavement are not the same thing at all.

 

No, it was a serious inquiry. The ATF manufacturer's data on the ATF statistics website only shows manufacturing, import and export data back to 1986. Getting data back to 1899 would only add to my data sources. It would be nice to have a link directly to an ATF source rather than a Trace source, and it's good to know that the figure through current data includes extrapolation and estimates with no actual ATF support.

None of those sources include a number based on illegal gun transfers, just legal gun transfers. Not very useful.

 

Could be.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...yer-killed-referee-one-punch-plea-deal-prison
https://www.ems1.com/archive/articl...punch-sends-him-into-a-coma-5sbHYfDQot3c9woG/