Restoring the Scientific Method and Saving Civilization

Responds to data with personal attack. Same stuff, different day.

 

How denialists argue

 

Mate it is obviously bunkum simply because IT IS FOCUSSING ON ONE AREA OF THE P,ANET

I am not denying that we have seen GLOBAL climate change over this time period but please link to sites NOT funded by fossil fuel corporations

 

Your repetition cannot make a falsehood true.
“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.”
― Robert Burns

 

Bad faith posting.

 

Abstract
Richard Alley, one of the world's leading climate researchers, tells the fascinating history of global climate changes as revealed by reading the annual rings of ice from cores drilled in Greenland. . . . .
Ice cores, abrupt climate change, and our future

ResearchGate
https://www.researchgate.net › publication › 287237402...


Richard Alley, one of the world's leading climate researchers, tells the fascinating history of global climate changes as revealed by reading the annual ...

 

They are certainly at least as trustworthy as alarmist AGW advocates.

 

So has the planet been warming or cooling for the last 8,000 years?

The evidence is pretty clear it has been warming globally.

 

Prediction #2: If global warming isn’t reversed by the year 2000, it will be too late to avert catastrophe
That was the 1989 prediction by Noel Brown, an environmentalist apparatchik at the U.N. — that global body that has brought us so much rubbish when it comes to failed global warming predictions.

According to the San Jose Mercury News, Brown said that “entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program.”

None of this Mad Max-esque vision of the world has come to pass in the years since, but that hasn’t stopped people from issuing dire predictions that haven’t shaken out. You’re going to see more than a few of them in this list.

Prediction #3: We’ll be living in Antarctica pretty soon
Ten years ago, a group called Forum for the Future predicted that we would be living in a world so dire that we would actually have to move to Antarctica as “climate refugees.”

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The 2008 study produced what the U.K. Telegraph very charitably called “a radical set of ‘possible futures,'” among them that the first climate refugees would begin flooding our planet’s icy, southernmost when temperatures made everywhere else too hot to live.

“Refugees are expected to move to Antarctica because of the rising temperatures that will see the population of the continent increase to 3.5 million people by 2040,” the Telegraph reported. “As the world fails to act on climate change, researchers predict that global trade will collapse as oil prices break through $400 a barrel and electrical appliances will get automatically turned off when households exceed energy quotas.”

Other predictions? “Australia and Oklahoma will be abandoned because of water shortages and athletes will stay at home in the world’s first virtual Olympics, competing against each other in virtual space with billions of spectators,” the Telegraph reported.

We’re just 12 years away from when we were supposed to all start heading to Antarctica, and I think it’s pretty safe to say we can call this one a complete wash-out. (Or not enough of one, given how I’m sure rising sea levels were supposed to play into this.) Meanwhile, the very non-virtual Olympics are planned for 2028 in Los Angeles, so there goes that theory.

“We still have the chance to alter the future,” Forum head Peter Madden said at the time. “This is what the world could be like and some of these options are not very pleasant.”

This is true. They’re also not very accurate. And surprisingly, Madden wasn’t the only person predicting this fate. Back in 2004, the British government’s chief scientist, Professor David King, said that “Antarctica is likely to be the world’s only habitable continent by the end of this century if global warming remains unchecked.” Meanwhile, the average annual temperature in Antarctica currently ranges from -76F for the interior to 14 degrees in some coastal areas. Good luck finding those 3.5 million people to live there.

 

That is typical of the response of an ostrich who wants to live in an echo chamber.

"We only want to accept from sites we agree with, and will attack any that we do not agree with."

I find it particularly fascinating that I had a one sentence reply saying there is a difference between global and local. It seems pretty clear from all of the evidence that the entire planet has been warming for some 10 ky. Every study I have ever seen confirms that, yet some still like to pretend it is no even if there is overwhelming evidence to prove it is warming.

I am actually finding it rather funny, as most moronically place me in the camp of being a "denier", yet here I am telling them that things have been warming for thousands of years, and they are screaming that is a lie.

 

Remember when former Vice President Al Gore predicted that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

There have been climate and ecological scaremongers for decades now. And I find it particularly fascinating how often they are completely wrong, yet people still eat up anything they say. There is a reason why I consider it more of a religion than anything else. Because like religion, it is based entirely on faith and not any kind of actual scientific proof or evidence.

It was once global cooling, then that was busted so it became global warming. Then that was busted and now it is simply "climate change". Never mind that the climate of the planet has always changed. Even during historic times we have gone through multiple Warm Periods and Cool periods. Yet we are supposed to pretend none of those ever happened, and this is the first time it has ever happened.

 

And please tell me, how exactly am I a "denialist"? I know I have told you multiple times what I blame for many things, and what the ultimate outcome will be.

And the funny thing is, that prediction is the exact same thing even if every single human was to somehow drop dead tomorrow.

So tell me, exactly how am I a "denialist"?

 

https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/3219...te Optimum warm,C in northern central Siberia).

 

Dissenters created the COVID vaccine.

Nobel Prize in medicine awarded to pair who laid foundation for covid-19 vaccines
By Carolyn Y. Johnson

 

Corruption among the climateers.
Leah Stokes, PNAS, and Conflicts of Interest
Andy May
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Leah Stokes is the senior author of a new paper in PNAS, Prevalence and predictors of wind energy opposition in North America, in which she blames White…

 

Ooooh! ONE paper! Out of how many published this year? And I mean her findings were hardly surprising because last time I looked the one complaining most about wind power was Donald Trump

BTW interesting that Andy May is claiming damage to whales from “geophysical surveys” then links to a blog whilst ignoring the damage being done by the SAME surveys being carried out for fossil fuels

 

PNAS? Pittsfield Naval Air Station?

 

It's all about who gets the waivers: the wind surveys routinely do.

 

The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a peer reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

 

??? Woodside petroleum is being targeted by Greenpeace as the are about to start geo surveys of Ningaloo Reef

https://www.greenpeace.org.au/news/...aten-to-disrupt-whale-migration-superhighway/

 

Both the PNAS paper and Andy May's post are explicitly confined to North America.

 

That is really not saying much. They also hate hydroelectric power, all fossil fuel projects, nuclear projects, fishing, logging, planting trees, and so many other things that I do not even bother trying to keep track of them anymore.

Their Ludditeism might be workable, if we returned the planet to say the population of 1800 and threw away anything invented after 1840.

 

Wrong thread

 

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Sooooo only whales in Nirth America are affected by wind turbines?