Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

I didn't call you "bro". It's not in the English vocabulary. "Bro" means bridge in my language and I'd never even consider calling you that.

 

I find both the historical as well as moral debates relating to the Israel/Palestine in forums such as this one at a minimum tiring and a waste of time. Those interested in learning history would do better to educate themselves through more erudite and dispassionate accounts than what comes across from partisan debates and the drivel that accompanies it. And the last place to look for moral and ethical lessons is from partisan accounts and depictions of the real and sometimes contrived examples of atrocities all too common in war.

Of course, the above won't stop those on either side who feel a need to elicit support for their cause.to join the fray. To be sure, I'm definitely partisan and not indifferent when it comes to this issue. For better or worse, my country's political leaders have chosen to assume and/or pretend to uphold the mantle of leader of an axis of resistance that is attempting to resist hegemonic forces far more influential and powerful than itself. Israel plays an important role in the equation but the issue (for me at least) is not about Israel per se, certainly not about Jews, and not even about a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The fact that those trying to resist these hegemonic forces aren't necessarily the most enlightened in my society is part of the dilemma for me but even the most enlightened would have found this an uphill battle. The real issue to me is that having chosen this mantle, and incurring much cost to the country, whether they are even sincere in pursuing it? Too many people have paid too heavy a price to be simply misled by those whose real agenda is simply to maintain their own power as opposed to actually fighting the fight they encourage others to fight for them.

In the meantime, my sympathies to those on all sides of the conflict suffering without having had the chance to choose whether they want to be a part of this fight. For the rest, as cruel as it might sound, it is nonetheless par for course.

 

Regarding hegemonic forces, are you referring to Iran fighting to prevent Saudi and Israel normalizing relations?

 

I'm not talking about Israeli Arabs, though there are some terrorist sympathizers among them. Many Bedouins, and other Arabs, volunteer to serve in the Israeli army.

By the way, the terrorist scum murdered Bedouin civilians too, including children.

I'm talking about their leadership, and UNRWA, both of which teach them to hate Jews and Israel. Worse, they demand that Palestinians hate Jews and Israel, anyone who doesn't conform risk their lives. Palestinian journalists, for instance, are not allowed to write something positive about Israel.

During the second Lebanese war, many Israeli Arabs from northern Israel fled to the Palestinian territories. They were met with disgust, contempt, even hatred. They're seen as traitors because they live peacefully, and prosper, in the Jewish state.

 

Your post proves that you don't know anything about Jews, Judaism, Zionism, or Israel. Or recent history.

The Holocaust played absolutely no part in Britain's decision to give Jews a home in Palestine. The Balfour Declaration, the official British promise to Jews, dates from 1917.

 

Just watched a segment of Israelis retaking back the captured areas. They say babies were decapitated.

 

Israel doesn't want it. Assuming Israel doesn't just build a bigger wall & seal the entire place off I could see Israel cut a deal with the Palestinean Authority in the West Bank to take over on the promise of lots of Saudi money & possibly Egyptian help. HAMAS gone, Gaza under a palestinean group Israel has been able to work with. Literally everyone other then HAMAS, Iran & a few anti-semites would be happy with this. Life in Gaza gets better & the border gets safer.

 

Human beings would not do what Hamas from Gaza has done to Israel. Whatever Israel chooses to do with Hamas in Gaza will be what Hamas has brought on Gaza. Though regrettable, It is justice, as there is no other course short of all of Hamas laying down their arms and surrendering to Israel.

 

17 years old might be defined as "children" by the UN, but they're legitimate targets when holding guns and firing on soldiers.

 

Why the hell wouldn't they want it? It has a large port, and they've had it before. They would uplift the people there with better governance and remove the risk of terrorist influence.

Of course they are going to take it.

 

Is Gaza a prison, really?

Well, sometimes...

https://www.asianews.it/news-en/Hamas:-no-pilgrimage-to-Mecca-for-faithful-of-Gaza-Strip-13924.html

Prison indeed.

 

So you think it's okay if Hamas beheads the dozens of kidnap Jews?

 

I enjoy very much seeing that on TV, especially after the burial of an acquaintance who was murdered in the killing spree of Hamas terrorists on Saturday.

 

Pisa also said that, without the violent takeover of Gaza by Hamas, both airports would be fully functional right now.

 

Killing their hostages is about the stupidest thing they could possibly do now.
Its the only thing keeping them from getting glassed.

Currently their threat is "if you bomb without warning".
So fine, you warn them and tighten the noose progressively until they realize they've ****ed themselves. While you're doing that, you move in special forces and take the hostages back.
Then you glass the place, salt the earth, and kill anything that moves in the wreckage for the next 5 years.

 

OK, let me be as plain as I can: I DON'T CARE. The Arabs fought. They lost. They should drop to their knees and kiss the feet of Israel in gratitude that they weren't utterly wiped out.

 

He does not care; as long as he can blame Israel, he's happy.

Treat Gaza like Carthage.

 

Jihadists have never cared about that sort of thing. Clearly, raping, torturing and murdering civilians is a deliberate strategy/policy on Hamas' part (and their masters in Tehran) to inflict as many casualties as possible on the Jewish civilian population in Israel and to strike fear into their hearts, and it's been a strategy that jihadists have employed for centuries.

Needless to say, this strategy hasn't always been successful, and soon the Palestinians are going to find out just how badly it is going to backfire on them.

 

Two members from Hamas political office killed in air strike, official says (msn.com)
How does Hamas respond to this? Will they kill any of the hostages they have as revenge? Will Hamas strike back at bombing the cities of Israel? This all remains to be seen.

 

LULZ - Of course not. As far as hegemonic Iran is concerned:

 

LOL-- don't you read, what you post? We are discussing two airports, which you had claimed, were both currently in service. Somehow, you are trying to turn a quote, stating that the international airport had been destroyed, and that the smaller airport had been "abandoned in 2004," to be supporting your argument?

Sounds like, to me, that quote is saying that there are no current flights, in & out of Gaza.

 

Maybe you are attaching too much significance to these two casualties.

 

You're refusing the translation? It was expected.
Oh, well.
About the Video. https://rutube.ru/video/76d699dd486a653bf83c31049c91fa90/
They were trained to fight? - There was an attack on the base from the water. This is footage of Israeli soldiers. Instead of fighting back, they all ran to the restroom and started shooting video. In the end, everyone was killed.
https://politikus.info/uploads/posts/2023-10/1696893185_snimok-ekrana-2023-10-10-v-01.10.44.jpg
https://politikus.info/uploads/posts/2023-10/1696893194_snimok-ekrana-2023-10-10-v-01.10.32.jpg

 

Hi mate, totally off topic but...

...well....since most historical writings are basically subjective they can actually be construed as partisan drivel....historical writings are rarely neutral being the point....anyway

Sorry do carry on.....

 

"The former concept"-- that Ukrainians are dying because of our military assistance-- is absurd, and nothing but a Putin talking point. If Russia withdrew from its illegal invasion of Ukraine, then both Ukrainians and Russians, would "stop dying (from the war)."

The two situations are not identical, nor is our helping of Ukraine to defend itself, equatable to Iran's aiding Hamas to conduct terrorists attacks, which undermine both peace, and the prospects for any eventual settlement of the dispute between the two peoples.