Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

I'm on top of it! I ain't no fool! Marx wrote,

“The term national wealth has only arisen as a result of the liberal economists’ passion for generalisation. As long as private property exists, this term has no meaning. The 'national wealth' of the English is very great and yet they are the poorest people under the sun. One must either discard this term completely, or accept such premises as give it meaning. Similarly with the terms national economy and political or public economy. In the present circumstances that science ought to be called private economy, for its public connections exist only for the sake of private property (Engels in the 1844 Manuscripts, Marx, p. 165; bold added)(pdf.).”

I ain't no dummy. Only the rich have private property rights so they seize the land--Indian land, Operation Barbarossa to seize Russian land, Gaza encirclement to seize the land. Marx noted the following:

“Private property does not know how to change crude need into human need. Its idealism is fantasy, caprice and whim; and no eunuch flatters his despot more basely or uses more despicable means to stimulate his dulled capacity for pleasure in order to sneak a favour for himself than does the industrial eunuch—the producer—in order to sneak for himself a few pieces of silver, in order to charm the golden birds out of the pockets of his dearly beloved neighbours in Christ. He puts himself at the service of the other’s most depraved fancies, plays the pimp between him and his need, excites in him morbid appetites, lies in wait for each of his weaknesses—all so that he can then demand the cash for this service of love. (Every product is a bait with which to seduce away the other’s very being, his money; every real and possible need is a weakness which will lead the fly to the glue-pot. General exploitation of communal human nature, just as every imperfection in man, is a bond with heaven—an avenue giving the priest access to his heart; every need is an opportunity to approach one’s neighbour under the guise of the utmost amiability and to say to him: Dear friend, I give you what you need, but you know the conditio sine qua non; you know the ink in which you have to sign yourself over to me; in providing for your pleasure, I fleece you.)(1844 Manuscripts, Marx, p. 109; bold added)(pdf.)."

 

Lol jesus dude...

Just a month later ... 1948


Don't start nuthin. Won't be nuthin.

As for your other load of gibberish. There was never a "state of palestine" No governance. Nothing. Hell it was only named Palestine by the Romans as an insult to the Jews whom they conquered and dispersed from the area.

Palestinians do not "own" the land. It was ruled by the Ottoman's and then the British and as such it was theirs to do with as they saw fit. And they saw fit to divide the land into two states.

That's the end of it. After that it was the Arabs and the Palestinians who, instead of just relocating and accepting that ruling...decided to punch up above their weight class and aggress onto the Jews.

They punched above their weight class and got **** kicked. Every. Single. Time. And as a result, lost land. All they had to do was accept the two state solution. Instead they chose war. And are now pissed that they lost.

 

I don't know who "you all" are but you obviously cannot.

 

RE: Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration
SUBTOPIC: Israel and the War
⁜→ Reality, et al,

(REFERENCE)

Article 68, Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV)...
Protected persons (Arab Palestinians) who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power (The Israeli), but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

Customary and International Humanitarian Law

Principle of Precautions against the Effects of Attacks
Rule 22. The parties to the conflict must take all feasible precautions to protect the civilian population and civilian objects under their control against the effects of attacks.

Location of Military Objectives outside Densely Populated Areas
Rule 23. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas.

Removal of Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of Military Objectives
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.

Hostage-Taking
Rule 96. The taking of hostages is prohibited.

Human Shields
Rule 97. The use of human shields is prohibited.​

(COMMENT)

IMO the Arab Palestinians have an utter disregard for the value of human life. They are barbarians with access to 21st century technology. And, they have no sense of morality. While they may articulate their position well enough, they have the logic of a rabid dog. They toss terms around like "war crimes" • "apartheid" • "resistance" • "illegally occupied" • "racism" etc, etc, etc, with little or no true understanding. They talk about history (rewritten of course) about how the Jewish invaded, their land, yet cannot demonstrate even once in the last thousand years when the Palestinians had political control over any Ottoman Territory,
Mamluk control, or the time of Saladin.

In contemporary times, they make believe that the Egyptian Military Governorship never controlled the Gaza Strip, that the Israelis unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip and abandon the strip of land to the people (and you can see what a mess the Arab Palestinians made of that opportunity). The Arab Palestinians consistently ignore "reality" and refuse to believe that the Jordanians annexed the West Bank. Nor do they recognized that when the Jordanians abandon the West Bank, there was no Arab Palestinian Government to assume control.

The world and the history, according to the Arab Palestinians, is a very different place from that of "reality." And not once, in the last half century, has the Arab Palestinian advocated for peace. Instead, the Arab Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and West Bank promoted Jihad and Armed Struggle in violation of international law.

Article 20, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights [ (Written in 1966) Entry into force: 23 March 1976 ]

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

Just My Thought and Perspective,
Most Respectfully,
R

 

It would appear that you are used to using a telephoto lens to make sure facts stay out of frame. The claim that we are discussing the opposition to Zionists and not the hatred for Jews cannot be defended since Jews are not safe outside of their state. You have been unable to demonstrate otherwise.

 

I'm talking about the internationally recognized borders.

 

Take a look at Scott Ritter's video who used to work with Israel intelligence and his take on Gaza. I think it's realistic and reflects the anti-war views expressed here. Ritter was really critical of the Ukranian proxy war also.

Scott Ritter talks about the conflict in the Middle East
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I got a source, you got an opinion.

 

Just like Russia got parts of Ukraine: it's not internationally recognized. The end.

Your opinion.

Your source says it's not a chemical weapon and bla bla bla.
And true. It's an incendiary one.

 

Gonna bookmark that, thanks. Yes I know about Ritter, solid dude.

 

I have no opinion on the classification of WP in a military context. I have an opinion on its use, but I haven't expressed that.

 

Indeed.
Where are your previous points???? lol
Point stands that you've been defeated that the west
1) refused to apply the right of self-determination by not asking the Palestinians... and were not asked a thing, unlike what you claimed.
2) the west fanatically gerrymandered the countries... so Jews were handed over as much land as possible and Arabs got as little as possible.

So reason enough for... THE ARAB LEAGUE to not accept such a plan.

A month later. And suddenly there are Palestinians living in Egypt. It didn't start there champ.
You're just being dishonest there.

Uh no. The Romans used it, because the Egyptians used a rather similar name for that region.

Utter and utter nonsense. Just because the British ruled it after the Ottoman's ruled it, doesn't mean the Palestinians didn't own private property. Heck, you got loads of expats living all over the place owning private property in foreign lands where they live under a foreign government. Who the government is, means totally nothing.

You're talking like Hamas, killing a civilian and taking over it's private property in a war, and find it justified. But there is no justification of ethnic cleansing and stealing private property. Heck, the Jews were the biggest losers of WWII, yet they are getting their properties back. That's how things work and that is what the Jews owe to the Palestinians. And typically people like you rant excuses to support ethnic cleansing and thieving private property -even though you know it's wrong- because Israel is unable to pay up and giving properties back will end the dream of having a country with a massively clear Jewish majority.

 

I see allowing Palestinians and Americans to leave before they do a ground attack as a good thing, yes, many of both groups I doubt want to be any part of that attack

that said, I do not know if they will be able to wait that long, 2000 a day would mean the hostages are there for many many days - it's a tough one for Israel

and will Hamas and his band let them leave is the other question...

 

At the end of the day...Hamas went into Israel...shot up a concert and will likely either get wiped out entirely or at the very least lose control of the Gaza stripe.

They use civilians as meat shields and as a result, lots of civilians will unfortunately pay the price of electing a terrorist regime to a political position, representing them.

Just like in the past, when Palestine aggresses against Israel...Israel, to insure their safety...takes control over the areas where that assault originated.

Oh and as for the rest of your BS...take it up with history.

 

Sure.
I put up the opinion of civil defense organizations that would classify an incendiary weapon as a WMD. And WP burns by having contact with air containing oxygen.

So thanks for your post.

 

It must be quite difficult for them to not wear their Hamas scarfs on camera.

 

Don't get them wrong. Only a few months ago they were terribly pro Israel but in the last few months they've become quite neutral, perhaps due to recent departure of the Jewish (ex banker) CEO at the BBC.

Just goes to show how MSM really does control the narrative for the sheeple.

Don't be that guy lil Mike. Diversify your sources

 

"...Christianity of 'Christendom,' which does to be sure produce, in comparison with the New Testament,
astonishing results...Christians by the millions, and all of the same quality. "
--Attack Upon 'Christendom' 'The Instant No.1’Soren Kierkegaard​

I see injured Palestinian children bleeding from the face, in shock, writhing in pain. Biden-Manchin-Abrams-Netanyahu don't give them any medicine, or food, or water! We are at war against them! Give them broken stones to show them their broken lives...and business opportunities galore, better than an epidemic in that sense!

We are at war! The Guilty will be punished! Praise the Lord!!!

The War Prayer
by Mark Twain​

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory with stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener....continues here.

 

First of all, you raised plenty of childish points containing often used dishonesties, and you've dropped them all when I commented on it. And simply put, the Palestinians have been wronged from the start, and you know it. They did not start did. The west did it, for the sake of their Jews who ran off with it. You put up no argument against mine.

As for your latest rant. I spot you're not making any kind of distinguish between Hamas and Palestine. As we speak, Israel caused the cut of power in Gaza. And subsequently 100's of babies in NCIU (Neonatal intensive care unit) are going to die soon. Civilians who need to a kidney dialyze are going to die soon. It'll be part of a genocide Israel and all their supporters got on their conscious.

And what this boils down to, is that civilian Palestinian rights were waved away from the start. Palestinian rights were waved away when Israel started their never ending policies of making and enlarging colonies beyond their borders for 70 YEARS straight. And Palestinian rights are waved away now making Israel act just like Hamas knowing fully well they are slaughtering babies and the sick. And people like you just shrug it off and justify it. It'll be like listening to the PR of Hamas who also got their reasons to do the same and shrug it off.

 

'Israel’s Prime Target Is Secretive Hamas Commander'

'Israel has tried to assassinate Mohammed Deif several times, but the commander of Hamas’s armed wing has proven to be an elusive foe'

By
Rory Jones
Oct. 11, 2023 7:08 am ET

WSJ
Read
https://archive.ph/fSRZf



'The Guest’: the Palestinian mastermind behind deadly Israel incursion'

'Mohammed Deif is commander of the military wing of the militant group Hamas, which carried out Saturday’s attack.'

Financial Times
https://archive.ph/4jPzk

 

'Israel’s Prime Target Is Secretive Hamas Commander'

'Israel has tried to assassinate Mohammed Deif several times, but the commander of Hamas’s armed wing has proven to be an elusive foe'

By
Rory Jones
Oct. 11, 2023 7:08 am ET

WSJ
Read
https://archive.ph/fSRZf

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/4-paramedics-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza-strip/3015778

Four Palestinian paramedics in the Gaza Strip were killed on Wednesday, at least three of them by a direct Israeli airstrikes on their ambulance, the Palestinian Red Crescent Society said. The aid group said in a statement that Israeli forces "directly targeted an ambulance belonging to it in the Abraj al-Nada area in northern Gaza."

 

Apologies, I have treated this conversation and my posts in this thread rather casually for what must certainly be a much more personal and serious event in your life. Duplicitous was harsh in this context. I apologize sincerely. I do have some thoughts on this matter that are likely not aligned with your views in general, but at the moment in particular, my heart goes out to you. Sorry, for treating this like any other PF discussion.

 

Ah, where are our Phillies fans!? Wicked good bottom of the 3rd against ATL!!!

 

Notice the same moral argument TYT Ana Kasparian is making here against the left, now could have been used during the Kawiti war. I don't know what she means by left. The media trick is to get public opinion to say "X group is immoral" --which in this context means an ahistorical contextless attack--so to get consent for further mass murder and war. The media tries to induce amnesia by inducing anger and fear so that our media reception is always in a state of distraction. Her arguments are a combination of strawman argument and a tautology "You don't approve of condemning Hamas for committing mass murder?" The media lies to me everyday, so why the **** should I believe you now? **** You!

Are the Palestinians in the same position with Hamas as Americans when 9/11 occurred and we got a twenty-year war? We still don't know what happened on 9/11. And now after Trump/Media told some 32,000 documented lies, we are supposed to believe everything now. Bush became the "War President" by using his own countrymen as bait to justify the invasion of our Iraqi ally. Some in the CIA were more than glad to bomb an American passenger airplane and blame it on Castro. Fortunately, JFK did not approve the plan and then **** his pants realizing what he was dealing with.

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