Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

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  1. Durandal

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    How far will Israel go? Gaza braces for ground offensive after Hamas attack • FRANCE 24 English


    What is just retribution? As Israel reels from the massacre of hundreds of civilians, the capture of hostages and the shattering of its aura of invincibility, there is the immediate reaction. We have seen the call-up of an unprecedented 300,000 reservists and the shutdown of food and fuel to Gaza.​
     
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    Yes but Ukraine never attacked, bombed, terrorized Russia, meaning Putin has or had.... much better options than Israel, It was only a potential threat to him, not an actual one
     
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    Interesting article, and while I briefly scanned it over I noticed that one of the groups that the article didn't mention was ANSWER Coalition. This is a radical Left umbrella group founded by the Workers World Party, and it consists of many of the anti-Semitic "activist" and "protest" groups that exist in America today. This organization has existed for decades (see article below), and it is one of the groups that is organizing the "pro-Palestine" protests around the country, including the one that got all the media attention in New York City last weekend.

    Here's their promotional poster - you'll find ANSWER's logo along the list of organizers/sponsors at the bottom (third from the right):

    1696745160_185_NY-Gov-calls-plans-for-PRO-PALESTINE-rally-in-Times-Square.jpg

    Back when ANSWER was doing Osama bin Laden's dirty work here on the home front while our men and women were fighting AQ in Afghanistan and Iraq, ANSWER listed the organizations in the coalition and some of them were groups formed by members of the Muslim Brotherhood here in the United States, and as you may be aware, Hamas was founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Since then, ANSWER decided to conceal who and what it is but the same groups are still there, and once again they're out in the streets expressing their solidarity with Hamas.

    The fact is, Hamas has done a remarkable job of establishing support networks in the United States. What was once the largest Islamic charity group in the United States, the Holy Land Foundation, was a Hamas front group founded by members of Hamas, most notably senior leader Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook:

    Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development

    Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousa_Mohammed_Abu_Marzook

    Another Hamas front group was the Islamic Association for Palestine, which like the HLF is now defunct:

    Islamic Association of Palestine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Association_of_Palestine

    Here's an interesting note at the bottom of the Wiki page about the IAP:

    Former Islamic Association of Palestine staffers and members were founding members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

    CAIR is considered by itself and many others to be the largest and most influential Muslim advocacy group in the United States, and some of those founding members were linked to Hamas (and some of them went to federal prison):

    CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment
    https://www.meforum.org/916/cair-islamists-fooling-the-establishment

    To their credit, the Feds did a good job of dismantling Hamas' support network in the U.S., but the advocacy groups live on.


    Back to ANSWER's founding:

    What a wonderful bunch with such a wonderful background, and you'll find that ANSWER has been at the center of most of the Left's "protest" movements over the years. If you look closely, you'll see their yellow pre-fab signs at all their events.
     
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    Rape is not part of war. If you engage in it, you're an animal and you deserve to be put down like one.

    A few more than care what you think. So scoreboard buddy ;)
     
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    I was referring to what Jake Tapper was talking about. Tlaib is just part of the problem.

    Anyhoo, 'nuff said - back to the war in Israel and Gaza...
     
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    What's Russia gonna do, send in a bunch of conscripts who don't even know how to clear a jammed weapon, and some broke-down vehicles with no fuel??
     
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    You make me feel like good person with every post you write :) keep it up muhamad
     
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    Well sorry sir, you can't support Russia just using their might to storm into Ukraine and take it over. Cheering on with glee as Russia bombs civilian targets as it seeks out to deprive Ukraine of energy over the winter time, while condemning anyone who dares to offer them aid...

    And then come into this topic and be all mad at Israel.
     
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    How can such a thing give "might" ? what crazy laws you live by in your country ?
     
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    LMAO-- and I had thought that your last comment, had been non sequitur! I'd had no idea, apparently, with whom I'd been conversing, and just how randomly off-point, your responses could be.

    First off, the reason that Al Capone's opinion of his trial would be overruled, would be because there had been a trial. Evidence was legally judged, & a guilty verdict, returned. So secondly, the word of your guy who made a video of a small number of guns, in the back of a van, has not been certified by a jury, to be trustworthy. There has been no legal determination of that. So it falls under the standard appraisals in debate: and just because someone makes a claim, it is not automatically assumed to be true.
    1) Who the hell is the guy, talking in your video? Anonymous speakers are not beyond doubting.
    2) What evidence is there, that this person even is a member of Hamas, and is in Gaza?
    3) How does a picture of an American gun, prove that it had come from Ukraine?
    4) And even if this person was who he'd claimed, and this handful of guns had come via Ukraine, how would that prove that any other weapons, from Ukraine, had gone to Hamas?
     
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    What in God's name does the US have to do with the initial invasion of Israel by Hamas? The murders? The rapes?
     
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    Hamas vows to broadcast hostage executions. Tech firms can't stop them.
    Drew Harwell, (c) 2023, The Washington Post
    Thu, October 12, 2023 at 8:35 AM CDT

    Hamas militants have vowed to broadcast their executions of Israeli hostages on the internet. Recent history shows there's virtually nothing tech companies can do to prevent that from happening.

    Live-streamed murders in Buffalo and Christchurch, New Zealand, remain visible on the web and have been viewed millions of times, long after the mass killings took place. Companies' efforts to stop access to violent videos have been stymied by an open internet that makes it easy to watch, save and share videos at viral speed - and by the changing strategies of killers and propagandists, who can use a network of distributed online services to ensure the videos remain forever within reach.

    A spokesman for Hamas' military wing, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, said in an audio message posted to the group's Telegram account this week that its fighters would kill hostages, one by one, every time an Israeli strike hits a home in Gaza, the dense coastal strip of more than 2 million Palestinians under Hamas control.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-vows-broadcast-hostage-executions-133558309.html
     
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    You are completely wrong. Rape is either a byproduct of war or (less likely) a method of war but you cannot separate rape from war.
    Make no mistake. Nobody cares what you think. You haven't war experience to know what you are talking about. All you are doing is reading children's books out loud but you know nothing about reality.
     
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    Again: Its a warcrime.

    O yeah I forgot you were a space shuttle doorgunner right?
     
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    You're welcome, Achmed.
     
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    What is your point? War crimes are only noted by the ability or desire to punish the perpetrator. If no one is being charged and punished then it doesn't matter what you call it.
    If it is relevant let's hear it, otherwise put it back where you found it.
     
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    Your fantasy has you running ragged. I hope you enjoy living it as much as I enjoy observing it. :lol:
     
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    Hamas is going to get punished for this. The Israeli's are in the midst of dealing that out to them already.

    If what's relevant? You're the one who has claimed to have "been there" for more historical events than I care to rehash with you.
    We get it, you support Hamas. Good for you. I hope you're going to enjoy the fireworks display.
     
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    I made no accusations; I merely replied to what you said. If I am wrong, I will admit it. My claim is:

    Israel is the only land in the region where it is safe to be Jewish, Christian, American, atheist, gay, or critical of religion/government.

    Please show how I am wrong.
     
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    Why are you asking me? :arrow: "Might is right" is Tough Talk's theme. Ask him. Oh, and if he explains it to you be sure to tell me what he says.
     
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    You must know something I don't. Or maybe you get info different than mine.
     
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    LOL - They're gonna cause a 50 mile long traffic jam on the main road leading from southern Lebanon to northern Israel. :lol:
     
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    Watch out for the media code. The US and Israeli government both wants to use public outrage which give them consent to commit the mass murder of 2.3 million Palestinians. Fascist reactionary governments want as many people as possible be involved in their crimes to create a buffer to protect elite power. This is old as ancient Greece. Plato recounts in the Apology dialogue how the Greek Junta known as the Thirty Tyrants ordered him and four men to capture and execute an Athenian citizen named Leon of Salamis. Plato provides an interesting explanation for the Thirty’s execution orders and why so many Greeks were executed: “…they issued such instructions, their object being to implicate as many people as possible in their crimes (32c-d).” Just remember how well this strategy worked when Trump's fascist mob violently attacked the Washington capital on January 6th.

    And that is the point of the media attempting to get US public opinion (and the left-wing) to assented to condemning the rocket attack on Israel that occurred on October 7th so that Netanyahu's Right-wing Fascist military can commit the war crime of the collective murder of 2.3 million Palestinians and claim they have permission. This fishing for condemnation of the Oct. 7th Hamas attack is on one level a one-on-one ethical discussion about terrorism, but on another level, in another arena, it is an attempt by governments to formulate an ahistorical contextless moral justification to commit war crimes and provide protection for its revengeful actors. I believe most people intuitively know they are being manipulative by a vast propaganda machine because the media has completely invaded the private life.
     
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    Oh, yes he can!

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