Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

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  1. Pisa

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    The PLO was founded in 1964, 43 years before the blockade.

    Hamas was founded in 1987, 20 years before the blockade.

    Islamic Jihad in Gaza was founded in 1987, 20 years before the blockade.

    Three major terror organizations, whose goal is to destroy the Jewish state, are attacking Israelis since way before the blockade.

    How exactly is ending the blockade supposed to put an end to terror attacks by organizations founded decades before the blockade?
     
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    If the forces arrayed against Israel are successful, and are somehow able to collapse its government and overrun it, we will see the brutality of the other day played out on an epic, or Holocaust level. The Israelis know it. Its enemies know it. And many outside observers like me know it. I have a feeling the UN also knew, back in 1948, that if they gave sufficient power to the Arabs over the Jews in the region, the inevitable result would have been another Holocaust of Jews 3 years after Hitler (by the same people in the Middle East who were planning the solution to the Jewish question in the Arab world with Hitler just a few years earlier).

    So imo, this weighed heavy on their decision. It was not democratic; it was based on security concerns over a real potential tragedy. But today, I have more than moral concerns. Israel has some devastating little toys. And like the rap song says, I got a lotta enemies... For my self defense, it is of extreme interest to me, to at a minimum find out who gets those toys, and if possible, determine who gets those toys.
     
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    100% true.
    I just want to add that if it will happen, God forbid, Europe and America will be next.
     
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    They eventually attacked the Nazis, and always knew they would from the moment Hitler invaded Poland. I'm saying if it were like that today, and we fully intended to attack Russia, I would support arming Ukraine. But we do not, because that would require massive effort, mobilization, spirit, escalation etc. These crooked warmongers cannot muster that within our populations no matter how many times they scream Putin is Hitler.

    I'm not going to fight for Ukraine. Not because I think Ukrainians aren't worth fighting for at all, or because of who they are as a people, but because the level of fighting required has NOT been justified by my leader, Joe Biden. On the contrary, he and his team has undermined my will to fight by lying to my fellow citizens about the level of commitment required, his shady business deals that I haven't ruled out as causing, exacerbating, or currently influencing this situation, and our use of Nazi units.
     
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    They were.
     
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    No, I can't really tell, unfortunately. The word he repeats does have a Russian sound to it, like a verb with the plural second person ending, but I don't recognize the word he says. It sounds a bit like "гуляете" - walk. But with it all being so distorted and fast, and my Russian being as weak as it is, I couldn't give you a definitive answer. I know that languages can have same-sounding words by coincidence, so it could just be that it's an Arabic or other non-Russian word that sounds kind of Russian.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Conversation with Fareed Zakaria — The Conflict in Israel and the State of Foreign Affairs
     
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    Not in Gaza.
     
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    I think they should be ruled directly by the Israeli government at this point. Prof. Finkelstein makes a good point in that they have now annexed them for so long, that they have an obligation to the Palestinians.

    If I were Bibi, now that I have decided to go in and root the Hamas government out of Gaza, I would treat it like a situation akin to the US Civil War in which Lincoln needed to root out the Confederate government, but he needed to govern the region afterwards. Don't go Sherman on the Palestinians. Get some control over your commanders' and advisors' thirst for revenge. From this point on, I would treat the Palestinians as Israeli citizens, just as Lincoln still considered the South as his citizens that were under the sway of a government he had to remove.

    Obviously immediate full rights to Palestinians is not an option due to security concerns. Back to the Civil War analogy, I would expect a "reconstruction" period after removal of Hamas in which the IDF has to occupy the south for a couple of decades like federal troops did in the US. Of course the US federal troops had a much easier time than the IDF would in replicating it, because after losing, the Confederates didn't continue to receive weapons of war and ideological support from, say, France, Spain, and Germany, like those who follow Hamas ideology will from certain states today.

    But again, Israel needs to administer this area when Hamas' ability to wage war has been stopped. I expect them to treat the innocents like their own. It appears they are not, and I'm starting to develop my theories, and before all my leftys chime in, no it's not WAYcism...
     
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    T Screenshot_20231015-180601_Facebook.jpg he new Hamas ISIS flag.
     
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    I wonder if Israeli Jews and it's supporters can connect the dots that this wasn't the first spat, and this all stems from the fact that the self proclaimed homeland of the Jews made it their policy to commit war crimes by endlessly starting new and enlarging old colonies for the past 75 years. The veil of Judaism has been ripped off.
     
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    The UN did it with a majority vote. It is hard to argue that Jews don't have an interest in the Holy Land.
    Cooperation would be nice.
     
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    Israel is THE LAST European colony surviving in Africa. How long do you think the Europeans have left until their scramble for Africa is finally extinguished?
     
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    The UN is very clear about what to think about colonizing outside your borders.
    The Jews are acting as if they should be able to do this for 75 years straight with no consequences.
     
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    it's not Africa, but close enough.
     
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    It's on the African continental land mass. Eurocentric propaganda pretends it is part of Asia but I'm not fooled by these politricks. Besides, Israel was birthed by Egypt, that is a fact.
     
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    yeah ok. the fault line hits the dead sea. But I did not invent what country is on what continent. And Israel considered to be part of Asia.
     
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    Yeah, Memes tell the truth!
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    More memes!
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    Memes are so important to the discussion of Israel's Occupied territories . . . no?
     
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    Yes and to the left of the dead sea is Israel, which is the African continental mass. Eurocentrics invented today's maps and they wanted Israel not be acknowledged as African for their white supremacist new world order. To have the holy land in Africa would have been EXTREMELY detrimental to the racist idealology.
     
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    Keep em coming Bob.
     
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    What do you think about all the dead Jews, killed by Hamas terrorists?
     

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