Let's move the State of Israel

Of course, they don't. As long as they are there, they are a thorn in Israel's side. Even though Jordan was founded to be a Palestine homeland, those Palestine Arabs that fled Israel after the Transjordan/Israeli Armistice are living as stateless people in camps in the Jordanian Desert. All in hopes that one day Israel is wiped off the map. History has shown that treaties mean nothing to Arabs.

 

Hamas does not only exist on the Gaza Strip. They also are in the West Bank. Just as there are Hezbollah fighter in the West Bank. Israel will not stop with the purification of Gaza of all militants, they will do the same thing in the West Bank. As well as Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon. We know this is going to happen. That is why we have such a large fleet off the Israeli coast. If the rest of the Arab nations jump in, we will unleash hell on them. When this is done, Israel Proper will contain the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

 

I know no such thing.

I don't see a lot of Arab support for all this. I see Iranian support, that quite frankly seems a lot more bashful since they saw the reaction to 10/6.

That's not going to happen.

The folks potentially in the cross hairs are Iran and Iranian proxies, and of course anyone else that's commingled with them. Israel and the US do their best to avoid collateral damage, but when you have folks deliberately embedding themselves among civilians, it can be death sentence to those civilians. They would be well advised to get some distance between them.

 

........and Gaza has 365 km2

 

Dunno how anyone can defy my God like pragmatism. I am moving the State and the support that State gets from the West. If Israelis want to stay with the scarabs, that's okay. I am forcing no-one person.

 

Here is a bit more so that you get some idea just how tiny 'Gaza' is and how heavily populated it is.

Link.

 

Palestinians are basically nomads. They have no claim to what has been Jewish land for 5000 years. Israel is not going anywhere. The Palestinians can move their nomadic asses back to the open desert. See how that works on the internet?

 

Yes, they were just as the Hebrews were. Don't care. I am also entirely not interested in what you reckon was the case 5000 years ago.

 

Too bad, knowing the actual history of the ME will go a long way in making you look less ignorant on the subject.

 

Oh look, your contempt for the people of Israel is matched by your contempt for the people of Gaza.

All you continue to show is that you feel it pithy to come on a forum to ridicule people suffering.

A possible theory for such behaviour could be a need to deflect and compensate for from one's own feelings of failure in life by trying to pose as being superior to others.

Another theory is that some people like to giggle at their own farting noises and smells and share their joy with others.

When someone reduces themselves to giggling over their farting its time to move on from them especially when they pose as Australian and have no idea it is an island. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

 

Then you should study the issue before posting. Hamas may control the Gaza Strip, but that does not mean that all Hamas Members live in the Gaza Strip. As a matter of fact, the Hamas leadership does not reside in Gaza. They are currently living in luxury in Qatar.

Missiles and drones from Qatar headed for Israel have been shot down by the Gerold Ford Carrier Group. Many of the missiles shot into Lebanon were shot from Lebanese military bases. Two airfields in Syria were taken out by Israel because Iran was using them to funnel equipment to Hezbollah. Fighters have been killed trying to cross between Syria and Israel. The Saudi's have all but backed out of an agreement for the Government to formally recognize Israel. Now, they are trying to work out a deal with the Iranians. Iran itself has backed off the rhetoric only after the US announced that it was diverting the Eisenhower Carrier Group to the Persian Gulf. Originally, it was supposed to join the Gerold Ford in the Med. The Eisenhower, with its support ships passed through the Suez Cannel yesterday. It should pass through the Strait of Hormuz later today and take position off the Iranian coast. The only Arab country that I truly expect to remain neutral is Jordan. If they joined in to support the Palestinians, they could end up with all of them dumped into their laps.

Define "Iranian proxies". Qatar is supporting Humas and is an Iranian ally. So, do they become targets? Iran has been working with Shiites in southern Iraq". So, do they become targets? If Sunnis in Iraq were to allow militias to join Humas, do we invade Iraq for a third time? What if the Taliban sends fighters? If Lebanon allows the Hezbollah to operate on their soil, do they become targets. Remember the immortal words of Sun Tzu, that have been embraced by the Arabs: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Arab loyalties shift just like the sands. If the Arab world were to decide that wiping Israel off the map is a lofty enough goal, they will not hesitate to support it. But that support will not necessarily be overt. They could risk financial support of Humas, and they could even back militias and irregular fighters from their country to join the fight.

What you need to understand that this is a part of a much larger impeding war. Think on this. What if China took this opportunity to invade the Island of Formosa (Taiwan) and the Philippines, North Korea (with Chinese support) were to invade South Korea, Russia was to expand their war with Nato by attacking the Baltic States, and Iran were to escalate the war against Israel into a regional conflict? What if all that were to happen at one time? Who do we support? Who do we leave hanging? What about all those millions of illegals that have been allowed to enter the US? How many of them are terrorists? How many known terrorists have entered the country that wasn't caught? We recently learned that an element of the Obama and Biden Administrations were paid operatives of the Iranian government. They were on the team that has been negating with Iran for a Nuclear deal. Ever wonder why the Obama Iran Nuclear Deal slowed down the Iranians making a Nuclear Bomb and had no verification process? The fact is that a world war is coming, and you're only looking at a small part of it.

 

Fake news, I'm sufficiently informed to the extent necessary to post on the subject, plus 54%.

Nobody said otherwise.

You think KSA is going to attack Israel? Egypt? Kuwait? With our base right there

I can't find any support for your claim that Qatar is firing missiles at Israel

That's a pile of "What Ifs". What's your solution?

I don't think Obama's deal slowed them down at all. I have no clue what the thinking is behind the Obama/Biden courtship of Iran.

 

Farting is actually therapeutic and very beneficial to the human body. You should therefore not and I mean NEVER ridicule ppl for enjoying a fart.

Clearly you know nothing about how the body functions. Farting is good for your body. Too much farting is for sure a concern but that's merely telling your brain to change your diet but farting in general should be celebrated imho.

It's actually a very dangerous and harmful message you're sending out to ppl.

 

@rkhames

I thought you might find this of interest

Israel A 'Nuclear Wildcard' On 'Dangerous Road To Armageddon': Macgregor

'Iran would target "all the bases we have in Iraq and Syria - with around 1000 Americans...'

'Tucker Carlson sat down with Col. Douglas Macgregor (ret.), who laid out a disturbing scenario in which the United States could quickly be pulled into a direct conflict with Iran, Russia and China over Israel's anticipated response to the October 7 Hamas attack.'

'Lindsey Graham, who vowed; "...if Hezbollah, which is a proxy of Iran, launches a massive attack on Israel, I consider that a threat to the... state of Israel, existential in nature. I will introduce a resolution [in] the United States Senate to allow military action by the United States in conjunction with Israel to knock Iran out of the Oil Business..."'

I've never seen Lindsey Graham against a war.

Macgregor's response is in response to Graham's.

'Macgregor warns "the destruction would be wholesale" as Iran would target "all the bases we have in Iraq and Syria - with around 1000 Americans - would be targeted... and this time accurately."
According to Macgregor, "The chosen destination" if we continue on this path, "is Armageddon," and the implications (of which nobody seems to be considering) for the United States, Europe, and the Middle East are grave. For example, "just on the economic side, about 20% of the world's oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz every month - probably 25% of liquefied natural gas, and you're talking about shutting down 2 to three million barrels a day of oil from Iran.'

It was so foolish of Biden impede our domestic energy policy while throwing Iran a lifeline.

"Hezbollah has a very large operation in Mexico," says Macgregor. "There are no doubt many, many Hezbollah agents inside the United States. We can only begin to imagine the kind of trouble they could cause."

He discusses Iran as much more a a potential peer-to-peer conflict than what we have been dealing with in the GWOT.

In a perfect world where you were making the decisions, how would you handle?

 

So, historically, the USA should be handed over to its indigenous peoples whom it had corralled onto reserves? I don't think so.

 

What a shame you wasted an entire Post talking about me and not the subject matter. Tsk Tsk.

 

Hold that thought,

I posted: "Hamas does not only exist on the Gaza Strip. They also are in the West Bank. Just as there are Hezbollah fighter in the West Bank. Israel will not stop with the purification of Gaza of all militants, they will do the same thing in the West Bank. As well as Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon. We know this is going to happen..."

You responded: "I know no such thing."

I posted: "Then you should study the issue before posting. Hamas may control the Gaza Strip, but that does not mean that all Hamas Members live in the Gaza Strip. As a matter of fact, the Hamas leadership does not reside in Gaza. They are currently living in luxury in Qatar."

And you respond: "Nobody said otherwise." (?)

What happened did you research the subject and found out that I was right? Hardly the post of someone that claims, "...I'm sufficiently informed to the extent necessary to post on the subject, plus 54%"

Also, if you are not saying otherwise, then why did you call it fake news?

I have learned that there are two types of Intel Analysists. No, they are not armature and professionals, or those that are right and those that are wrong. They are those that track trends and motives. Analysis is not often found in direct translations of language. You have to understand the cultural meaning of the words. You have to understand the mindset that is conveyed by their choice of words. The second type are those that throw things against the wall to see what sticks. The analysis of the first group may seem like the results of the second group but looks are deceiving.

Every country in the Middle East has reason to support Hamas and to avoid the conflict. How they will choose depends on what priority they place on answering several questions. The main one is on the issue of removing Israel from the Middle East. If they choose to place their priority there, then they will enter the war. Many countries have done that several times since 1947. But there is a detracting issue also. That is the fact that they have to do business with the infidels west. Back in the 70's, OPEC cut the US off from selling oil. Today that would backfire on them. If they cut the US off, then oil supply would soar lowing prices. Further, the US has already proven that they can produce enough oil to meet their demands. OPEC would be hurt, and the US wouldn't. That is an especially strong motivation for the Saudi's and Kuwait. Jordan is caught in a catch 22. They have Syria north of them and Lebanon to the northwest. Those countries could put pressure on them to support the fight, but they also would have to worry about what happens in Israel wins. They could end up with all those Gaza and West Bank Arabs in their laps. Egypt is a strange situation. After Mubarak was deposed by the Egyptian military, the Muslim Brother won the Presidency. That lasted only a few months before he was deposed. One of the big reasons that he was deposed was because Morsi called for the annihilation of Israel. Of course, Obama was one of the few that denounced the deposing of Morsi. One of the problems in getting aid into the Gaza civilians is the fact that Egypt would not open the crossing to allow the civilians to pass into Egypt. They would be safer there, and it would be easier to ensure that the aid did not end up in the hands of Humas. But Egypt, like all the Arab nations, do not want the Arabs to leave Israel. Such an exodus could end up being permanent.

So, who is with Humas. Qatar, where the Humas leadership resides. They have refused calls to force them to leave. The Yemen rebel group Houthi. They are backed by Iran, and (here is where I correct what I said before) launched a drone and rocket attack against Israel. Those rockets and drones were shot down by a US warship in the Red Sea. Around the same time US troops in Syria and Iraq were subjected to drone attacks by Iranian backed militias operating in those countries. And of course, Iran. Those are the overt actors. Other countries may choose to operate in secret. They may fund and arm militias from their own country to go to Israel to join the fight. Those countries would include Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. You can expect Humas and Iran to drum up more support with more fake stories like the Palestinian Hospital being blown up.

It is no secret that Obama hated Israel and loved Iran. According to statements issued by Obama recently, that has not changed. Biden, on the other hand, has no idea what is going on. If you compare how Biden looked when he was first elected, to how he looks now it is night and day. When he won the Presidency, he had vigor, but now he looks like an actor in a zombie movie. Think about it, only a complete moron would nominate Jack Lew, the architect of the Iran deal for the Ambassadorship to Israel. That is one sick joke.

BTW, Robert Malley was the Special Envoy to Iran. First, he had his security clearance suspended because of mishandling of classified material. Apparently, some classified documents ended up in the hands of the Iranians. He was allowed to remain on the job for several weeks but was not allowed access to anything classified. In other words, he was allowed to sit at his desk and twiddle his thumbs. From that point, one of two things would happen. If the investigators though he would eventually be cleared, they would place him on paid leave until cleared. If they thought he was not going to be cleared, he would be placed on unpaid leave. On June 29, Malley was placed on unpaid leave.

Other claims about Malley funneling money to the Iranians comes from Gabriel Noronha who was fired from the State Department in 2021 for tweeting that President Trump was unfit to serve as President. Noronha claims that Malley funneled between 50 and 80 billion dollars to Iran over a 2.5 year period.

 

Just reported that the number of Palestinians killed in The West Bank during the last two weeks has reached 100, killed by IDF and Settlers!

 

Look up black Sunday, Jordon. Then tell me again why Jordon doesn't want Palestinians refugees in the Gaza strip.

 

How bout we kick out all the Muslims out of the Middle East instead and any of the Muslim countries that want them can have them. And the Jews can have the Middle East.

 

You have not been reading. I am kicking nobody anywhere, including 'out.' I am moving the State of Israel and all the support the West gives it, moves with it.

 

Can we do the same with the black people in America?

 

What? I just want to save them from the threat of white supremacy.