I don't get Israel's plan so far...

They are radicalized in a response to a perceived injustice, yes. And Palestinians have more than enough fuel for that fire. Go ahead, show me your list.

 

is this still true, if Israel has 18% Muslim inside Israel, then that is proof these religions can get along if they try

https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/faq/druze-syria

"The U.S. government estimates the total population at 8.9 million (midyear 2022). According to the country's Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) classification system (2021 data), approximately 73.8 percent of the population is Jewish, 18 percent Muslim, 1.9 percent Christian, and 1.6 percent Druze."

Interesting, never heard of a "Druze" before today

https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/faq/druze-syria

 

The ruling power in Gaza is Hamas and they elected them in in 2006. They support them

 

No, you need to prove your premise, not me. You show me the list.

 

Intentionally expending friendly forces goes against any combat doctrine ever. Force protection is a top priority.

No where does any tactical doctrine require the intentional sacrifice of your own troops to save civilians. So no, that isn't what a military "is supposed to do".

 

I think that part Israel's plan is to make it painful for the Palestine people, so they turn on Hamas from the inside, as they won't want this to happen again

will it work, hard to guess that now, hindsight is much easier, glad I am not making these choices

 

The civilians should help the IDF in finding and destroying the Hamas terrorists. They should show the IDF where they're hiding, the best avenues of approach and where the booby traps are located, then.

 

It worked on Germany in WW2.

 

I think that is what we should have done in response to 911 too, just a few month retaliatory strike, long-drawn-out wars don't seem to work

taking out Hamas needs to happen though

 

You can't defeat an enemy from the air, alone.

 

Do you support nuking Gaza? You could exterminate Hamas at the cost of millions of Palestinians, and likely some near irreversible damage to the land. IDF soldiers would not be harmed.
I don't think many would support that, and if you don't, then you are advocating for putting IDF soldiers at some risk, for the benefit of saving Palestinian civilians. Then it is just a matter of the balance of how much risk to IDF soldiers for how much benefit to the civilians.

 

agree, and we took out Bin Laden from the ground...

but our response never should have lasted 20+ years

 

In 2006, around half of the civilians in Gaza were not even born yet.

 

I agree. We should have pounded Afghanistan into dust and had a Disney World built there by now.

 

That's very easy for you to say, given that you are unlikely to be killed by the IDF and likely to have a safe place to go away from Hamas killing you or your family for working against them.

And they may not know where Hamas is hiding. And of those who do, some may very well be willing to help the IDF, but you've proclaimed collective punishment for all of them. You've declared Palestinian civilians your enemies whether they like it or not. That be so, why would they help?

 

Bin Laden had to be eliminated. If you just had “a few air strikes,” they would have come after us again.

But, yes. After bin Laden was killed, we should have had an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan. That would have taken a little while, not like the Biden pull out, but well organized.

 

They got what they voted for

 

You get what you vote for. That should be blatantly obvious at so many levels. They elected a fanatical extreme religious group and got everything those types go for. Now to remove them it has to be war wether they like it or not.

 

I read your post while hiding in the shelter during two consecutive alarms, hoping that the explosions I heard were from interceptions. In that situation, I thought for a moment to say "yes", simply out of spite. It's very easy for you to feel superior and preach morality from the safety of your home an ocean away.

No, I don't support nuking Gaza, or any other place, for that matter.

You, and others who think like you, are a big part of the problem. You give legitimacy to terror organizations bent on killing Jews because they're perceived as oppressed, but you never bother to find out what really motivates them. You bark, snarl, and growl at Israel, demanding that we protect our enemy's civilian population until the last drop of Israeli blood. No other nation, no other country in the world receives this kind of treatment. I'm disgusted and disappointed.

 

lol, I don’t have to prove ****. You obviously have a point you are trying to make, so make it.

 

The government they elected did… Hamas is their elected government. They voted for this extremism.

 

not possible, and not even a valid option, a dozen or so people committed 9-11, and you think that justifies hipping out all the people in a country

what if a dozen Americans did that to another country, would they be justified to wipe us out?

 

agree, I am glad Bin Laden was taken out under the Obama\Biden Administration

 

You make some interesting points that show what an enigma Israel faces. Alexander the Great faced the famous enigma of the "Gordian Knot", and do you remember what he did...?

Right... legend has it that Alexander took his sword and cut the damned thing in half in a single stroke instead of trying to untie it like other contenders! Problem solved! For better or worse, some seemingly impossible "enigmas" do have simple solutions....

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

 

If Israel gives them full autonomy and full nationhood then and only then can "freedom fighter" be removed from the Hamas description. If Hamas continues to attack Israel after independence then Israel has justification without reservations.

And as always, make Jerusalem a city state.