Trump-Appointed Judge Halts Removal of Confederate Memorial at Arlington Cemetery

I've had dozens of debates on this forum from people saying that slavery wasn't the reason for it, and the Daughters of the Confederacy have influenced school textbooks in the south for exactly that reason. Try again.

 

They don't deny it happened. They deny it was about slavery. Have you never met a Southerner?

 

The people wanting these monuments are typically the slavery-cause deniers. Try looking up "The Lost Cause" some day. Or try starting a thread here saying that secession was about slavery, like I have.

 

Quote em.

 

Quote the people on this forum that denies slavery was the reason.

 

I lived in the south. Went to school in the south. Not once did I hear anyone say that slavery was not the reason.

 

Go read my thread about it. Or any thread where I've talked about the causes of secession. Every time I bring it up, conservatives come out of the woodwork to deny it.

 

Link?

 

Then you must have gone to a weird private school or something. It is common here in the South for people to claim that it was, instead, about states' rights or taxes. And it shows up in history textbooks. I'm not sure how you got by with never seeing this. Again, go check out my thread on the subject.

 

You could literally just use the search feature and look for any time Yardmeat here talked about slavery.

 

Nope, no private school. In point of fact I went to multiple public schools. I've seen your claim before, never once actually encountered it.

 

You're the one making the claim. Due diligence onus is on you.

 

Your avoiding the points in order to continue to support your conflicted perspectives.

The south was Democrats whom supported states rights, even if their motive was in support of slavery which was obviously a poor reason to fight a war against centralized control.

These are all facts Mello. They may not align with your partisan desires or conform to you political agenda. They are just inconveniences. Right?

 

"Quick! Take down all the monuments of Democrat traitors who wanted slavery! We don't want to have to teach our young about actual history when we indoctrinate them!"

 

*sigh*

See, the indoctrination and rewriting of history is right on track.

 

Yes states rights….which is most prominent in their desire to own people, and later it was used to keep those same people from voting or having the rights everyone else enjoyed.

 

You can teach them about dem slavers by showing who they lost to. Monuments of the winners preserve history better than participation trophy monuments to losers.

 

Me too and that's true... the only place I've ever seen "people" make claims that slavery wasnt the 99% reason for the CW was on THIS here forum.... and I find it laughable everytime...

 

And with both statues you get 100%, rather than just the winner writing the history.

 

See yardmeat...its not near as uncommon as you seem to think. Your problem I think is that you think that slavery was the ONLY reason and if anyone says different then they are denying that slavery was the reason. And I'd bet that the majority of your conversations on this forum are with people saying that slavery wasn't the only reason. Never denying that slavery was the majority reason.

 

Don’t have to rewrite what I lived through.

How many Presidents have balanced the budget in your lifetime?

 

I never said it was the only reason. I said it was, overwhelmingly, the primary reason, that it was the determining reason, and that no other reason at the time is enough to explain secession.

 

Non-sense. If you believe this was the intent of States Rights over federal, you need to go back to Civics 101.

The founders just fought from an authoritative aristocracy. They fully understood the dangers of a centralized government structure.

Giving people the opportunity to move to different states that better align with their beliefs and political identification prevents a federal monopoly that inherently removes these freedoms.

The left constantly pushes for a strong central government and diminishing state rights because every great idea they have requires forced compliance. They don't like it when people can flee failed policy and their insatiable desire for control.

The Confederacy was willing to leave the union because of this, and slavery was the most recent issue that they felt justified this desire.

What they feared is essentially modern day liberalism often identified as progressivism. Every wonderful idea they have requires forced participation.

 

Go ask Democrat voters if General Lee who fought for the Confederacy was a Republican or Democrat. Go ask them what Lincoln was.

The indoctrination is strong and effective.

 

I was alive too, and remember.

So, either you know Clinton lied about balancing the budget with accounting methods that would land any CEO in jail, or you don't care and desire to keep pushing false narratives to support your political ambitions.

Excluding Social Security obligations from the national debt allowed the White House to claim a surplus while the government’s financial obligations were actually increasing (this practice still exists, with the official national debt figures omitting $83 trillion in future Social Security bills). This financial approach is not dissimilar to infamous Enron accounting methods, where huge liabilities are not included on balance sheets.​

https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2018/06/22/Bill-Clinton-s-Surplus-Miracle-20-Years-Later


Counting SS contributions and not liabilities seems kinda silly doesn't it?

Plus, Social Security is not the governments money to play with. More proof trusting the government is a fools game.