Israeli military shot and killed three hostages

CAN YOU STICK TO THE TOPIC INSTEAD OF CONTINUALLY TRYING TO DERAIL?
The IDF by killing hostages is pure evil, don't you agree?

 

You are stating a personal view of little import. The Montivideo Convention of 1933 between various S. American states, merely reflected customary international law on what constitutes a de facto state.

The issue of what is a nation in the western conception of the term was addressed by Ernest Renan, who aptly likened it to a "daily plebiscite" where a group of people choose to associate themselves with one another through shared culture, language, experience, common understanding (or misunderstanding) of their history. The common usage and understanding of the term can be found in any dictionary.

The Iranian conception dating back to the very ancient times was both similar and different. That story, although never properly understood by those who understood Iran from the prism and perspective of its rivals and enemies, is what much of recorded history has sometimes explicitly and often implicitly been all about. Ask me and I will teach you about it.

 

I am stating the requirements used to qualify a nation for admittance to full membership in the United Nations.

 

But that has nothing much to do with anything. Palestinians are a nation without a state. They have a de jure recognition to become a state, but obviously not many of the de facto criteria necessary to be recognized as an independent nation-state. After all, they are under occupation and that fact isn't lost on anyone on the Palestinian side!

 

Of course it does. Palestine has never been a nation. There is no occupation because there was no nation. Jews lived in that area. Jews emigrated to that area and bought land.

In the early 1900’s one million Jews emigrated to the US. Did they occupy or colonize the US?

 

You are going in circles. Read a little on the subject and then come back.
What Is a Nation?
nation
Palestinians
Palestinian Nationalism

 

There are no circles only the reality of the Montevideo Convention definition of a nation/state/country. That is a fact. That is the definition used globally to define a nation/state/country.

The problem with post modernism is that there are no facts or reality.

 

You are confusing different terms which have somewhat different meanings to make political points that are absolutely baseless.

Darius was proud listing the countries and nations he ruled. No Jews or Palestinians mentioned since at the time the concept of Jews or Jewish identity had still not fully arisen while the Palestinians were just one of the tribes called Tayaie Daria (Tribes of the Sea).

King Darius says: These are the countries which are subject unto me, and by the grace of Ahuramazda I became king of them: Persia [Pârsa], Elam [Ûvja], Babylonia [Bâbiruš], Assyria [Athurâ], Arabia [Arabâya], Egypt [Mudrâya], the countries by the Sea [Tyaiy Drayahyâ (Phoenicia)], Lydia [Sparda], the Greeks [Yauna (Ionia)], Media [Mâda], Armenia [Armina], Cappadocia [Katpatuka], Parthia [Parthava], Drangiana [Zraka], Aria [Haraiva], Chorasmia [Uvârazmîy], Bactria [Bâxtriš], Sogdia [Suguda], Gandhara [Gadâra], Scythia [Saka], Sattagydia [Thataguš], Arachosia [Harauvatiš] and Maka [Maka]; twenty-three lands in all.

 

Today’s reality is the Montevideo Convention criteria as the definition of a nation/state/country. Darius is relevant only in a historical sense.

 

No. Neither customary international law nor any convention (including the Montevideo Convention) attempt to, or even pretend to, define a nation. They define what is an entity that satisfies the requirements to be a de facto state.

 

Nation, country, and state are synonymous.

But okay. To be absolutely correct:

 

At least we are getting somewhere we should have started with to two begin with!

 

What evil did Hamas bring to an end on Oct. 7th? Does sodomizing and beheading a little boy bring an end to evil? You have to be hard up for victory to call a depraved murder spree of innocent citizens a "successful military operation involving atrocities". It reeks of maniacal desperation. Shame on you.

 

Any atrocities committed by Hamas would have to be fully investigated by an independent body with no interest in war propaganda. If those atrocities in fact committed were without knowledge, instruction or any planning by anyone other than the individual offenders, the guilty parties (if not dead already) should be prosecuted and punished accordingly. If the atrocities were under instruction or approval of Hamas, then the organization leaders responsible deserves worse than the punishment Ariel Sharon got for the Sabra and Shatila massacre, US military commanders and their civilian bosses got for Abu Ghreib or My Lai or what Israeli military leaders are likely to get for the daily massacres in Gaza...

As for what Hamas accomplished militarily on Oct 7, overrunning division strength units, destroying Israeli bases, and breaching an iron cage and all of its supposed technological marvels?? The answer will be clear when the dust settles and this war is over.

 

Now you want to investigate? No need, everything is clear. The IDF will finish what Hamas started, when the IDF is done with it. So if you have a grievance or a bill, mail it to Hamas in Gaza and Qatar.

 

The view from the front:

NPR
Israeli soldier reflects on his military service in Gaza

 

Most people consider nation, state, and country synonymous. The nuances don’t matter in a practical sense.

 

Unlike many others here, my positions are based on principle not party. My position on the issue hasn't changed and, for me, wouldn't be different even if no one else here cared anymore. I consider it dangerous to any society (even just for its own well being) to let loose the kind of debased criminals that do what is being alleged from both sides.

 

Who cares what a small group of countries attempt to impose on other regions of the world .When did the other 180 or so countries participate and vote in that convention. The idea of a "country" is a western construct.

 

The UN is a small group of countries?

 

The UN did not exist in 1933. And it's funny that you say the UN when the UN recognises Palestine

 

Your pretense at objectivity is outshone by your anti Semitism as evidenced in your former posts. Referring to the murderous debauchery which Hamas visited upon Israeli's on Oct 7th as a successful military operation is a dead giveaway, that either you are ignorant, or like them, you have no humanity in your soul. Not to mention equating the necessity of the IDF's venture into Gaza as an equal sin rather than what Hamas has brought to Gaza on its heels. The whole world has seen the video's which Hamas themselves made, memorializing their deeds. So all your excuses have no home. They are just empty, shameless words.

 

The UNGA vote is meaningless.

The League of Nations did.

 

Lol. Carry on with your continual flip flopping