Only Trump Can Save America

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good leadership will tend to improve unity.

    If the group is going the wrong way then unity is difficult to achieve,
    like any group starts losing members when everyone
    notices it is heading to a cliff.
     
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    They knew they were breaking the law and did it anyway. That’s intent. The F you smoking?
     
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    Of which Trump has always been a member of, duh
     
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    And when they were asked to give them back they said, ok here. Trump said , no, pound sand. But you guys ignore this.
     
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    They will be mightily pizzed off when Trump goes down in flames, yet again.
     
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    There is no uniting with people who hate our country, kill the unborn, mutilate and confuse children

    The rest of us will save our country from them.
     
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    What intent? Pass what you are smoking if you think it will help.
     
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    Got it, you think a perp has to write down “I knowingly commit this crime” and sign on the dotted line for you to believe they had intent.

    What was that you were saying about thinking critically? LOL
     
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    Well that's what you think about trump.
     
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    Prove it
     
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    Dude - we already tried with Trump.
    It's like MAGA have no memory - Trump left office with a very poor approval rating and the worst GDP average of any modern President.
    There is not one iota of evidence that Trump is capable of "uniting" anything. Hell, he couldn't even unite his own party
    to get infrastructure or health care bills passed. It's insane to claim Trump will be a "uniter" of any kind. He just doesn't have the skill or temperament.
     
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    Any post with evidence of trumps criminality are dismissed by you guys. Like J6.
     
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    So your only line of reasoning is to auto lump me in according to your own discrimination against anyone who doesn’t think like you.

    thanks for playing
     
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    This kind of thinking is ruining America.
     
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    Approval rating is not a hard fact, it is mass opinions swayed equally by lies or truth with a big input from emotion.

    Trump started zero big wars, somehow with Biden the US is involved in supplying weapons to a big war in Ukraine and
    supplying weapons to a slaughter in Gaza and does have boots on the ground in both and is getting involved
    in bombing Yemen and Iraq and those are facts.

    Using public opinion to sway public opinion I do not find convincing.
     
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    The point is not that judges are covering their behinds. The point is that the prosecutions are politically motivated. They wouldn't exist if Trump had retired from politics.
     
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    No what is ruining America is government overspending, an open southern border, poor international relations and endless government lies. But I do agree that Trump won't save America. I don't think America needs saving. Her federal government needs it.
     
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    LOL, For hillary, two of her associates went to jail .

    But Hillary did not use the "I forgot." Although it was electronic, and through a private server, the 30000 emails were eventually recovered. Yet, she fully cooperated. Two of her associates went to jail over this, but not her. And she, ironically, violated Obama's own directive, or EO, which not to use private phones and servers for government business. And the Trump AG had 4 years, four ****ing years, to prosecute hillary but didn't. You just don't get to do a "do over" simply politically. But then we have had Ivanka Trump do this and several other people in the Trump Administration do what Hillary did, and yet they were not charged. Want to charge them now? Or no.

    You might want to take a look at two US Navy Seamen in San Diego who were charged with espionage. They were "average joes" and had the documents and access to those documents. And there are several others including Adrich Aimes, Robert Hansen, and others who were all average joes, all were caught, tried, and sentenced.
     
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    True, but the example created by the President and administration does affect public thinking and morale.
    'without vision a people perish', people need hope for the future.
     
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    You need to look at the facts of the case. The DOJ, when it comes to 18 USC 793(e) have always looked at willful intent. It is why neither Pence, Hillary, or Biden will be charged, but Trump has shown willful intent, even average joes that I listed in the previous post, showed willful intent. The DOJ has been consistent on that. That's the difference. Accept it or not.
     
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    Your thinking and morale perhaps but not mine. I look at politics like looking into a gutter. It entertains me but doesn't make me happier or smarter. Having lived in other countries (one of them a dictatorship) I can tell you there are places that need more saving than America. We have a corrupt and incompetent federal government but not as corrupt and incompetent as some others. We need to get voters interested in looking "outside the box." Our government can be a lot better if we force it.
     
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    That's a good one. Pence simply claimed there was no intent, Hillary's was obviously intentional and Biden didn't even know he had the documents and that is a problem. The issue is that Trump is hated, feared and running for president.
     
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    We are not quite there compared to 1859/1860 yet, but your post indicates hate of your fellow man/woman. Certain issues are polarizing from abortion to debt, to even functions of government. But the reality is that political violence is becoming acceptable along with the dehumanization of certain groups of people, which you have demostrated in your post, and their circumstances in our political system today. That's where the problem lies, unfortunately. We are slowly becoming a society that lacks empathy to anyone and everyone that do not fit in whatever myopic world we live in on the internet. That's where the real problem lies.

    Again, we mutilate children all the time. We are the second-highest country with circumcision. That is mutalation of the male human body is it not? 70% of all males in this country are circumcised, and not all of them are Jewish, are they? With Gender Dysphoria, the problem is you are telling physicians what and what not to do medically. That violates all precedents in the patient-physician relationship. The same thing with abortion where in some states, a woman would have to carry a nonviable baby to term because it is against the law in 13 states with severe abortion restrictions. Or the fact that we have laws in Florida where freedom of speech is being demolished because you want to run this country more like Iran, morally speaking.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course Trump is going to raise the ire of those who "seek what the country can do for them". It's always been that way. In the last couple decades it is apparent the unelected "Bureaucracy" has become overwhelmingly powerful. They will fight tooth and nail for their power and existence! As of late they are seeking out Conservatives through bank records as to attempt to make life a living hell for all of them. We will ever be unified with them. They must leave and Trump is the only one with the fortitude to do it.
    Unity will only come when the balance of power of the elected officials is restored and agencies are put in their respective place. Then of course the Democrat media will have to somehow return to balance and not be coerced by corrupt agencies.
     
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    All three claimed no willful intent. Trump has not claimed that. He simply wants to keep them for his ego, even admitted it publicly on several occasions that he knew he had them and was damn proud of it. In other words, Trump is his own worst enemy and thinks he is above the law. You are an enabler of that phenomenon and his idea that he is above the law. In other words, an accomplice to his crime.
     

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