When do you finally admit that Trump IS the swamp?

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one really cares what the elitists do until it effects the common man. You won't see me trying to defend Trump's solid gold toilet (or w/e). Trump isn't looking to monopolize weapons, restrict fuel, raise my taxes, force me to pretend a man is woman or make it harder for anyone to do business. He has demonstrated precisely zero interest in further 'regulating' the common people. What he does to/with other elitist scumbags ...I couldn't care less. Thats my kind of entitled elitist- the kind that has NO INTEREST IN ME. Being able to mutually ignore eachother is all I've ever wanted from govt.
     
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  2. JohnHamilton

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    So you admit that the Biden and Clinton families and the Trump families are all corrupt.

    Here’s a novel idea. Why don’t we dump them all and find some fresh faces?
     
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    Yea, but Trump wasn’t selling government influence the way the Clinton and Biden crime families were. You could avoid the Trump foundation; the Biden and Clinton syndicates were selling government favors.
     
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    Not the swamp. The sewer. He plumbed new depths of dereliction of duty as potus.
     
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    That question may be an impossible one for a non-Trump supporter to answer. From a swing voter, Haley seems more like the ideal candidate for the Republicans to run against Biden for the reasons you stated. Also, from an election standpoint, Haley is leading Biden by around 8 point in the polls to Trump leading Biden by 2 when averaging them out. It seems, at least today, Haley stands a better chance of defeating Biden than Trump does. She has none of Trump’s baggage which Trump’s baggage is so large it wouldn’t all fit in a freight train.


    I would think the simple answer is the feeling out there among Trump supporters is he has their back; he’s fighting for them. I don’t know of nor can I think of another answer. Trump to me, epitomizes the one candidate if I were a Republican that I wouldn’t want as my party’s nominee. Your question is best left to be answered by those who want Trump back into the white house. I’m baffled, flummoxed, don’t understand why.
     
  6. JohnHamilton

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    The worst thing Trump did was hold that stupid January 6 rally. He should have accepted the 2020 results and geared up for 2024.

    The rest of it was opposed to your political philosophy. He also prevented your precious little Hillary from becoming president. That alone was enough to have progressives howling at the sky, like a pack of wolves, literally.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Just stop.
    Compared to Trump and Biden, she's a genius.
    Her treatment of men in uniform is honorable compared to Trump and probably a little less than Biden.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    So, two wrongs make a right. Brilliant.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    You call that an argument?!!
    :roflol::roflol:

    Like all right wing arguments, there is zero proof of the allegations and logic is missing altogether.
     
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    Where do you read that in any of my posts, aside from the sarcastic one to Moolk? I admit no such effing thing. How many times must I say it? There. Is. No. Proof.

    I do like your " novel idea."
     
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    I think it might be a form of Stockholm Syndrome.
     
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    she's a nasty bitch and disrespects military and civilian law enforcement. she's scum. I know because I have had friends serve as SS in all three white houses. she's the worst
     
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    what part of the constitution allows the federal government to suppress free speech?
     
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    Of course you do.
    Did they invite you to their hooker parties?
     
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    So, now Citizens United is free speech.
     
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    do you have any evidence I don't know secret service agents even though I spent 24 years in the DOJ and had one -a special assistant US attorney-in the office next to mine? Do you make such claims because you honestly believe that or because you are making stuff up. Hillary is well known for disrespecting military and civilian law enforcement officers.
     
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    why don' you tell us why you oppose that decision and what legal reasons are the basis of your opposition as opposed to merely parroting a democrat talking point.
     
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    an interesting analysis of Citizens United
    https://publicintegrity.org/politic...united-should-die-heres-why-that-wont-happen/

    They also wonder whether Democrats would actually push through reforms were they to control Congress again — particularly because many Democrats have taken fulladvantage of the fundraising freedoms Citizens United has granted them.

    Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, for example, railed against Citizens United. But she, too, benefited from a small army of super PACs and millions of dollarsin secret political money.
     
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    Biden is not the swamp.

    He might be old, but he is not corrupt.

    But Trump is both old, and corrupt, a criminal sex abuser.
     
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    they have to, otherwise Repubs would have an advantage.

    If you create the playing field, that is the field we must play on.

    But that doesn't mean the playing field is not problematic.
     
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    I don't care if you do or don't. I also don't care about your opinion of Clinton and her attitude towards military and law enforcement.
     
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    No
     
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    That is exactly correct. Get rid of SuperPACs.

    And currently, the donation limit direct to candidates is $2,900.

    With CU, a man with a lot of money can exact undue influence on a campaign, and that isn't right. CU has corrupted politics.

    Incumbents have always had the advantage, since they were president, or for whatever reason, they have name recognition, name recognition is an EARNED ASSET, it is not a bad thing.
     
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    The article outlines arguments in favor of the Citizens United ruling, primarily emphasizing the protection of free speech, including for corporations and unions, as a constitutional right. Critics of this perspective argue that it conflates money with speech, potentially undermining democratic principles by allowing wealthy entities to exert disproportionate influence on politics and elections. They contend that this imbalance can drown out the voices of individual voters and small donors, compromising the integrity of the electoral process and leading to a governance system that favors special interests over public welfare. I do not see any argument the article offers that sufficiently squashes the main criticism of CU.

    Sure she benefitted, if CU is the playing field, to not play on it would put her at a disadvantage.
     
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    If that were true, you'd have a point.
     

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