When do you finally admit that Trump IS the swamp?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    His continued existence as a political figure has proven disastrous for America in ways that were previously unimaginable.
     
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    This proves the OP's point.
     
  3. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nice typo ... :lol:
     
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    Really? You don't remember the Trump Foundation? LOL!!
     
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    What you don't realize, or admit, is that whomever either party puts as a candidate the other party will go to extreme lengths to make them look like the worst human being on earth.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enforce the swamp? Please explain.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    That's too bad. The difference between Donald and Hillary is that one is a stable genius and the other a con man. Trump doesn't make the left "lose their ****". He makes thinking people go WT actual F!! What does this crap?!!
    The beauty of the US is you can leave anytime you like.
     
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    Most politicians are bought by it and propagate it, keeping it intact intentionally, to benefit both themselves and their fellows, some thinking it is needed to keep America strong.
    Trump appears to only go along with it when it feeds his ego. That creates an opening for potentially going against it (if that feeds his ego more), which the likes of Biden or Clinton or Haley or DeSantis never would.
     
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    Actually no you cannot, and that is President-Elect Trump.
     
  10. Sleep Monster

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    To really shake up the elections, we need to stop electing 1%-ers. Not just to the White House, but congress as well.

    The rich have no real understanding of who we are. I want leaders who know what it's like to sweat the rent, or how it feels to tell your kid(s) no, they cannot have new clothes, only what you can find in thrift stores. And sorry, kids, no money for meat this week ... make do with rice and cheese with some vegetables and beans.

    If they've never been down here in the trenches, they aren't worthy to be our leaders, imo.
     
  11. perotista

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    I realize that. Since 1956 when Gallup started keeping track of the favorable/unfavorable of major party presidential candidates we had one election when both major party candidates were seen by less than 50% favorable and more than 50% unfavorable. 2016 when Clinton was viewed 38% favorable/56% unfavorable along with Trump at 36% favorable/60% unfavorable. 2024 it looks like will join 2016 as an election where both major party candidates are seen by less than 50% favorable, more than 50% unfavorable. In fact we’ve had but three elections where one major party candidate was viewed by all Americans less than 50%. Goldwater in 1964 at 43% favorable, Clinton in 2016 at 38% and Trump in both 2016, 36% favorable and 2020 at 43% favorable. Only two election were major party candidates viewed over 50% unfavorable, 2016 Clinton at 56%, Trump at 60% and 2020 Trump at 56% unfavorable. Even Goldwater back in 1964 wasn’t viewed unfavorable by over 50% of all Americans, he came in at 47% unfavorable. It’s looks certain that in 2024 we’ll have to add both Biden and Trump once again to that list. Biden is currently at 39.6% favorable 55.1% unfavorable, Trump at 41.7% favorable, 53.8% unfavorable.


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/joe-biden


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump


    Here’s the complete list.


    Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate.

    Favorable/unfavorable

    1956 Eisenhower 84/12%

    1964 LBJ 81/13%

    1976 Carter 81/16%

    1960 JFK 80/14%

    1960 Nixon 79/16%

    1968 Nixon 79/22%

    1976 Ford 79/20%

    1972 Nixon 76/21%

    1968 Humphrey 72/28%

    1984 Reagan 70/30%

    1980 Carter 60/32%

    1984 Mondale 66/34%

    1980 Reagan 64/31%

    1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%

    2008 Obama 62/35%

    2012 Obama 62/37%

    1956 Stevenson 61/31%

    2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%

    2008 McCain 60/35%

    1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40%

    2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%

    2004 Kerry 57/40%

    1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%

    1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%

    2000 Gore 55/43%

    2012 Romney 55/43%

    1972 McGovern 55/41%

    1996 Dole 54/45%

    1988 Dukakis 53/42%

    2020 Biden 52/46%

    1964 Goldwater 43/47%

    2020 Trump 43/56%

    2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56%

    2016 Donald Trump 36/60%
     
  12. 9royhobbs

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    50 years from now if you look at a list of the best Presidents, look at the bottom and you will see Trump's name. At the very bottom.
     
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    Would be the most important pieces of legislation in half a century.
     
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    hillary a genius? she flunked the bar after being an affirmative action selection to Yale despite not even graduating Cum Laude from Wellesley. she wasn't anywhere near making order of Coif or the Yale Law Journal
     
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    how would legislation do that? and why is the left so disturbed by Citizens United given it levels the playing field against unions and big media?
     
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    Or not...Bottom will be biden
     
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    You don't like her, got it.
     
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    LOL
    Not a chance
     
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    It doesn't level a damn thing.
     
  20. Turtledude

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    she's scum and she's hardly a genius. Her treatment of men in uniform is well known and disgusting.
     
  21. Turtledude

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    so tell us, why the hard on for Citizens United? There's as much or more corporate money for the Democrats
     
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    To save time, this is your answer pigs fly.jpg
     
  23. Jolly Penguin

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    That would be good, and I would like a more extensive transparency act than even that. And not just the politicians but the deep state below them.
     
  24. MiaBleu

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    Great post.
    Yes. He is Swamp personified. A lot of adjectives have been exhausted describing him......but Swamp creature would be the best fit.

    His supporters don't see it, because they don't want to see it. They have bought into his swampy lies.
     
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    They could choose Niki. .instead of Trump. So why aren't they?? Younger generation, female, experienced, intelligent, articulate, capable.. There is an option and yet many are choosing the swampy Trump. ( Note: Trump is everything he claims to be "fighting" )
     
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