Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

Making up a scenario to introduce his book and every word thereafter.

 

Sure thing.

 

Debate deepens over Wuhan wet market's role in kickstarting the pandemic | National Geographic
"“I get a shudder every time I drive past here,” says the taxi driver as he pulls over near the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China. The wet market—where live poultry and mammals are sold and slaughtered on site—is where most of the early COVID-19 patients worked or visited before they were hospitalised in December 2019. “Huanan has become synonymous to the virus,” he says."

Prove it. Anyone can make things up. A security guard could have done it, a lab assistant, a cleaner .....

That's not the right reason to dismiss it.
Frontiers | The Impact of COVID-19 Pandemic on Seafood Safety and Human Health (frontiersin.org)
"Survival of SARS-CoV-2 at 4°C attached to salmon culture media, exploring the possibilities of transmission (end point titration assay on Vero E6 cells) in seafood markets was evaluated by Dai et al. (2020). Results proved the viability of the virus to remain active for 8 days at 4°C. The study highlights the requirement of strict regulations in the seafood trade due to the provision of lower temperatures in the seafood supply chain."

This is your version of "plausible". Doesn't make it so - the point stands.

They didn't delete it, they took their entire virus database offline. They later requested data be deleted from US database.
An article examining the deletion: Scientist says early coronavirus samples were deleted from NIH database | CNN

 

https://www.politik-sind-wir.net/th...ng-nebenwirkungen.18803/page-306#post-2283471

 

No, I am not wrong. I stated that the Huanan market sold live animals which were often slaughtered in the market. I don’t know why you keep insisting I am wrong when there are numerous sources online that state the virus likely came about by zoonotic transfer.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337

As 2019 turned into 2020, a coronavirus spilled over from wild animals into people, sparking what has become one of the best documented pandemics to afflict humans. However, the origins of the pandemic in December 2019 are controversial. Worobey et al. amassed the variety of evidence from the City of Wuhan, China, where the first human infections were reported. These reports confirm that most of the earliest human cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Within the market, the data statistically located the earliest human cases to one section where vendors of live wild animals congregated and where virus-positive environmental samples concentrated. In a related report, Pekar et al. found that genomic diversity before February 2020 comprised two distinct viral lineages, A and B, which were the result of at least two separate cross-species transmission events into humans (see the Perspective by Jiang and Wang). The precise events surrounding virus spillover will always be clouded, but all of the circumstantial evidence so far points to more than one zoonotic event occurring in Huanan market in Wuhan, China, likely during November–December 2019. —CA

How about you write to all the expert researchers and tell them they are ‘objectively wrong’ and then provide your own explanation to them. There is a lot of data that points to Huanan Market as well as genetic data that points to a zoonotic origin and away from a lab-manipulated virus.

My claims are not false. It’s false that the lab was conducting gain of function research which is nothing but a conspiracy theory. Where is credible evidence that ‘multiple new strains of the virus’ would have been created at the Institute. Loads of research have delved into the possibilities of where the virus originated. Just because your opinion is that it came from the Wuhan lab doesn’t mean that it did. Research says otherwise but nobody has found THE answer but they are tracing it using genetics which you really can’t fudge as compared to the rantings of people like the troll from Kentucky.

The fact that you suggest a janitor took bats from the Wuhan Institute to sell in the Wuhan market makes no sense and isn’t plausible. You claimed the staff at the institute manipulated the virus in some manner. What happened next? They must have injected the bats with the altered virus and then the janitor must have stolen them. The janitor then took the bats to Wuhan market where they, being dead, interacted with some other animal who was capable of hosting the bat’s coronaviruses. The virus would have to have mutated in the intermediate animal and then infected a human who infected other humans which started the Pandemic. Okaaaay. Scientists do know there was an intermediate host between bats and people so the stolen bat’s virus load would have had to go from dead bat to another animal in a cage then to humans. That isn’t very plausible.

Articles/Research that discusses more realistic ways humans got infected.

https://zenodo.org/records/6299116#.YiEZ3f7MI2x

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...food-market-in-wuhan-as-pandemic-origin-point

The database wasn’t deleted so I guess you are objectively wrong. It was removed and it was accessible in the cloud after it was removed.

 

From this story, https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/health/wuhan-market-covid-19/index.html .. these look pretty dead to me and some of them may have been stolen by the janitor to sell at the market:

 

Friendly reminder. Don’t shoot the messenger.


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Perhaps you should consider a browser that automatically translates this. It does it an a matter of 2 seconds on mine. Here it is:

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I post almost exclusively on my phone. I’m not going to go see if an app exists to translate. When PF changes their rules perhaps I’ll trouble myself to find out and get one.

Anyway, thanks for the translation. Not seeing anything about all vaccinated folks dying soon and the surviving unvaccinated driving their cars and living in their houses though. Perhaps it was lost in translation….

 

It's usually a simple option ticked in the settings or on a couple of browsers an addon.

Indeed.

 

That only applies to a small minority of the offerings in the wet market, typically domestic livestock and fish. It's just too expensive and troublesome to take live bats, pangolins, etc. there.

"Making things up" is how checkable scientific hypotheses emerge. Hello?

Correct: anyone who at any point had access to sacrificed research animals and knew they could be sold at the wet market.

The fact that refrigerated viruses last longer is irrelevant to the fact that lobsters don't get COVID.

No, it is self-evidently plausible.

A distinction without a difference.

 

Thanks. I’ll check it out.

 

Ok I await your evidence on this about Wuhan.

Hello. I await you checking it and taking it from the "making things up" stage to the proven claim.

Let's isolate the salient word there - "Could". Now identify your steps to change it using science to "did".

It's bizarre that I am defending China's right to make a claim when I don't actually believe that claim. It is not impossible. Just unproven.
Prove they don't "get COVID" and as for relevance prove that quote doesn't apply to lobsters. It's pretty low key, neither of us believe the claim anyway.

Right. Let me reword my answer. This is your version of "self-evidently plausible". Doesn't make it so - the point stands.

Well no it isn't. Taking something offline is restricting access temporarily. Deleting is stopping it completely. It's all rather irrelevant - none of it is proof of culpability. That one sits there with items incredibly difficult to prove, after the fact. Were you able to prove it none of this would be relevant. It's all subjective circumstantial.

 

The point about the Maine lobsters was not to start some conversation about Maine lobsters spreading coronavirus to the Wuhan market. It was obviously misinformation started by a Chinese diplomat and the point was — the Maine lobster theory is about as plausible as your theory of some janitor taking a bat to the market from the institute and that action somehow started the pandemic. Neither theory is plausible or possible.

Nobody knows how the pandemic started — the most viable theory is the zoonotic transmission no matter how much you want to blame the Chinese directly.

 

Mods please delete this thread. It’s full of misinformation.

 

It was man-made and Fauci needs to go prison, along with many others.


The Story of the Decade
By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Mercola.com

February 19, 2024

According to U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, author of “Deception: The Great COVID Cover-Up,” the COVID-19 pandemic, which killed millions of people, was the result of Anthony Fauci’s decision to fund dangerous gain-of-function research in China — research that was officially banned in the U.S. at the time and at bare minimum should have been done with U.S. oversight but wasn’t.

Adding insult to injury, Fauci personally profited from the disaster to the tune of about $5 million. “Congress was misled by Anthony Fauci,” Paul told now-independent journalist Tucker Carlson. “In the end, he deserves to be in prison.”

New Evidence Strongly Indicates SARS-CoV-2 Was Created

In a January 25, 2024, article1 in the City Journal, science writer, editor and author Nicholas Wade details new evidence2 obtained by U.S. Right to Know (USRTK) that further strengthens the theory that SARS-CoV-2 was indeed made in a lab.3

As noted by Wade, that’s the key reason why no one, despite massive testing efforts, has been able to find SARS-CoV-2 in any wild animal, bats or otherwise. It never existed in the natural world, only in the lab.

The newly-obtained documents include what amounts to a recipe for “assembling SARS-type viruses from six synthetic pieces of DNA designed to be a consensus sequence — the genetically most infectious form — of viruses related to SARS1, the bat virus that caused the minor epidemic of 2002,” Wade writes. As it turns out, SARS-CoV-2 has this exact six-section structure.

The documents also show that “American scientists planned to work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology to engineer novel coronaviruses with the features of SARS-CoV-2 the year before the virus emerged from that city,” USRTK reporter Emily Kopp writes.4
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/02/joseph-mercola/the-story-of-the-decade/

 

Why would anyone take a fake vaccine offered by criminal enterprises?


Two Doses of COVID Vaccine May Increase Risk of Long COVID Symptoms
Patients who received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine were more likely to experience symptoms of long COVID compared with people who were unvaccinated or had received one dose, a peer-reviewed study showed.

By
Suzanne Burdick, Ph.D.
People who received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine may be more likely to get long COVID symptoms compared with those who received one or no dose, a peer-reviewed study showed.

The study authors — who published their report on Dec. 20, 2022, in PLoS One — looked at what factors predicted whether or not 487 adults who had a COVID-19 infection later developed long COVID symptoms.

They also looked at what symptoms those with long COVID reported experiencing.

The authors found five statistically significant predictors of developing long COVID: pre-existing medical conditions, having a higher number of symptoms during the acute phase of COVID-19, two doses of COVID-19 vaccination, the severity of illness, and admission to a hospital.

In other words, these five factors were “independently associated” with a heightened risk of long COVID, Dr. Peter McCullough noted in a Substack postabout the study.

Long COVID symptoms experienced by the study participants included fatigue, cough, difficulty breathing, chest pain, loss of taste or smell, brain fog, heart palpitations and anxiety.

…
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/two-doses-vaccine-long-covid/

 

Anything found in the website ‘childrenshealthdefense’ can be disregarded because it’s all misinformation. Did you even read the study?


Dr Peter McCullough is biased and always wrong.

Stop posting obvious misinformation.

 

Lol. Yeah sure.

Orwell lives!

 

Woah there, let me stop you at the important bit. Doc Mercola? The osteopath fleecing the public with his "wellness" horseshit?

The Upside-Down Doctor | Office for Science and Society - McGill University
"Dr. Joe Mercola, an osteopathic physician who has made an impressive fortune selling supplements through his online store, has a new book out about the COVID-19 pandemic, a book which he co-authored with Ronnie Cummins, an organic food crusader. This book, as well as Mercola’s decades of peddling health misinformation on the Internet, exemplifies the dangerous blind spot of the wellness movement. Health gurus are not in the business of public health; they rise to fame by framing health as a personal choice and by selling immune boosters that have earned, they wrongfully claim, a scientific seal of approval."

"Fact-checking the book’s thousands of erroneous claims would require weeks and, I suspect, the publication of a two-tome book. But here is the tasting menu, which should be enough for the discerning reader to understand that Mercola and Cummins’ slim book does not belong in the “health and wellness” section of your local bookstore. It should be shelved in the “fiction” aisle."

This article paints a nasty damning picture of a very wealthy and wholly unqualified snake-oil salesman. Perhaps you should look at the REAL bigger picture here.

Some colossal irony with your last two posts!

 

That's a non sequitur. Here's a more appropriate comment. It's best not to believe cranks who are making a ton of money from the gullible.

 

Hahahahahahahaha

 

What misinformation are you trying to post now? That the Red Cross won’t allow blood donations? That is just another myth started on social media by idiots.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/s...ions-from-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19/

https://fullfact.org/health/red-cross-hasnt-banned-blood-donation-from-vaccinated-people/

 

Shock in New Zealand as Green party MP Efeso Collins dies after charity run | New Zealand | The Guardian

oops! another "died suddenly" and in a country where the vax was mandated.

 

To answer the question you pose, "Because that person has been frightened to the point he is no longer rational"