Trump ordered to pay over $350M for business fraud

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Then the statute is wrong or not applicable in this case. Nobody was defrauded. PERIOD.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read this again, slowly:
    Engoron stating that Trump overvalued by 2,300% compared to the tax appraiser's value
    does NOT mean he thinks that Trump's value should be 0% higher than the tax appraiser's value.​
    In other words, he is NOT saying Trump's value should be $18-$28 million. He is saying Trump's value is 2,300% more than that. It should be clear to you why Engoron is saying this. A difference of 2.300% is VAST. An immediate signal that something's not right.

    The Deed witness was ignored by the court - a witness cannot interpret or apply the law. That's the law. And what little he managed to opine on, was wrong - not in my opinion but according to the law, the IRS, and the actual conservation deed.

    Again, Mar-a-lago is just one fraction of the case. Which details, by the way, the facts in evidence, from both sides. Try browsing through the docket, too, where you'll find - as I have - a wealth of documents, transcripts and so forth. Start with the complaint - you'll be better placed to understand the full depth and nature of the behaviors in question.
    https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/ny...Id=FX5LeuzFvFRaeD3C6Ob/SA==&PageNum=1&narrow=
     
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  3. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Nope. He just wants to be a lawless Dictator. It's astonishing that rightists still can't see the grift. He's been a con man his entire life, yet rightists believe him to be a Saint.
     
  4. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Ah, you're one of those "plandemic" believers. Well, now I know what ball field I stumbled on to.
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    You're right. Rightists believe in a fantasy where their mango hero is an Angelic Saint that would never break a single crime.
     
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    So, tell us, how much is Maralago worth? Let's just settle this right here.
     
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    No.
     
  8. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, you couldn't factually do it if you tried nor could the bought and paid for prosecutor and judge. The only one that could come close to a solid estimation and the only one it really mattered to, was the bank that made millions off giving Trump the loan.

    Then I see lefties actually saying it doesn't matter that Biden's Brother got 200k from a foreign government and the next day wrote a check to ole Joe for 200k and said it was for a loan. Who knew Joe's brother is actually rich and joe was broke, makes perfect sense move along. Carry on with TDS though it's hilarious watching the circle jerk of lunacy.
     
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    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    It can be done, but I won't do it.
     
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    Like all MAGAs, you haven't read the Engoron judgment.

    Trump not only blithely changed the valuation of his properties for banks or insurance (he could do it 3 times in a year), he also lied about the acreage, renovations, income and use of many of them.

    In his financial report, he wrote that his Trump Tower condo was 33,000 square feet.

    Whereas he has one of only 11,000 square feet.

    Are you afraid to read the judgment ?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump should donate 40 Wall Street as illegal alien housing and let the city have it.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read it.

    How many floors does 40 Wall Street have.
     
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    If it was a residential property it would likely be much higher than it is currently but with the land development restrictions and inability to subdivide the value is impacted.

    We would need to see income statements (non-fraudulent ones) to determine actual value but I have seen analysis say between $85m to $150m, potentially a little more as likely.

    Here is an article that talks about it a tad
    https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-mar-lago-worth-if-trump-sells-1763066
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow you must be good. Pulled that number straight out of your imagination in like a couple minutes.
     
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    Let me help you out:

    Get a clue.jpg
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Minus the fact that I linked a source, but sure.

    Unless you are saying that I wrote that article, traveled back in time, published it, and then came back here to talk about it — in that case, I would be very good. Most impressive

    Thank you for noticing
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You probably should have read it then.

    Palm Beach real-estate agent John Pinson "If it was for sale, the price would be astronomical," he said, adding that he can't imagine Trump selling the property. "I wouldn't imagine that place selling for less than half-a-billion dollars."
     
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  19. Nemesis

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    LOL!
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're saying Engoron submitted a fraudulent legal document claiming it was 63 floors on page 36.
     
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    Wait a minute---did he testify?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dunno, ask the person that provided the article he didn't read.
     
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    Sorry, nobody is buying it.

    He's not a deed witness. lol
    He's a Florida real estate attorney,

    So you going tell everyone that a Florida Real estate attorney can't interpret Florida real estate law on a Florida real estate document?
    Well thats going to be news to every real estate attorney on the planet. Guess they are all out of business now.
    After passing the Florida bar and becoming a Florida real estate attorney, you can no longer interpret Florida real Estate law or Florida real estate documents.

    Were you going to tell us what disqualified the Florida Real Estate attorney from interpreting Florida law on the Florida document he was explaining?
    I guess the idiot NY judge would know more about Florida real estate law. lol

    How do you people even buy into this garbage?
    Oh yeah, you hate Trump.
     
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    In the relevant paragraph, Engoron is probably only talking about floors that generate income: 63.

    Are you denying that Trump lied about the net revenue that 40 Wall Street brought in?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He made the claim that there are 63 floors.

    He lied and committed fraud in a government document.
     

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