When WAS America great?

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  1. dairyair

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    The US constitution doesn't allow that.
    International laws also don't allow that.

    We need to be a nation of laws and the constitution.

    If migrants come and ask for asylum, they are vetted to determine if they get a hearing. And can be released into country until said hearing.
    It takes years to get one, due to the backlog.
     
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    Looks like a 4X increase in spending over the last 25 years.


    Well, this one for starters.

    Currently this law is not being enforced. There are currently no consequences for illegally crossing our border.


    The RW doesn’t know any more about the border than LW. Both are kept ignorant of reality. More agents just means it’s easier for a border crosser to claim asylum and get released unvetted and illegally, but with the “blessing” of our government. Unless border patrol is actually allowed to keep people from crossing the border, it’s a complete waste of money.

    Yes. Definitely a backlog. Streamlining the process does what? Does it encourage or discourage more illegal border crossings? Removing negative consequences for lawbreaking has never reduced lawbreaking that I’m aware of. Making it easier and more rewarding to break laws doesn’t reduce lawlessness. It would be like buying your kid ice cream every time they lied or backtalked you and buying them a new video game for not cleaning their room.
     
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    The Immigration Reform Act of 1924 effective restricted non white immigration to the United States.
     
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    We need to dewokify
     
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    Sure there's a consequence for crossing the border illegally. If they haven't been granted an asylum hearing.
    They are sent back.

    I agree we don't deport enough illegals when caught.
    Even trump when president didn't deport illegals that had been in employ at his golf course and other businesses. There were merely fired.

    Streamlining a process improves efficiency. Process more cases. Grant asylum faster or deport those that don't qualify. Should equal less immigrants in the country awaiting a ruling.
     
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    Looks like it's no longer in place

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    The immigration act made permanent the basic limitations on immigration to the United States established in 1921 and modified the National Origins Formula, which had been established in that year. In conjunction with the Immigration Act of 1917, it governed American immigration policy until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 was passed, which revised it completely.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
     
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    America was the greatest in the 1940's and 50's. America had built up a powerful military and produced most of what people around the world needed. Most of the factories in Europe and Asia were destroyed. America was king of the hill. That started to change in the sixties. America helped rebuild Europe and Asia. New modern plants were built and our old plants had to compete with them. Then we started Free Trade and that was the beginning of our downfall. Our companies had to compete with other nations who taxed less, paid less and had no benefits. American companies moved out. It really started in the sixties with Japan. I guess we sort of felt sorry for Japan and allowed them to get away with everything and they took advantage of it. They basically took away some of our best industries and wouldn't let our companies in or to compete on a level platform. Free Trade has hurt America badly. We made trades without any rules. Trump saw the problem when he first came in and it was one of the first things he tried to fix. Fair trade he said, not free trade.
     
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    Here is the start of our downfall. Page down to our television industry and keep going down to our automotive industry. Then page up and see all the things Japan did to take industries away and keep American companies out. China hurt us bad too, but they did it in another way, Free trade has not helped America in good paying jobs. Ross Pero knew it, none of the others did. You have to have rules and laws users.monash.edu/~jwb/japanyes.txt
     
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    Racial discrimination, both de facto and de iure, was rampant in the America of the 1940s and 50s. White male domination blighted politics and other professions as well.

    Despite resistance and backsliding, progress toward a more perfect union endures, and the nation benefits by drawing upon a more inclusive talent pool.
     
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    It stalled before that. Lets look at Obama's economy. He had the worst recovery in 50 years. There were 13 million more on welfare when Obama left office that there was when he came into office after the crash and you have to know there were plenty on after the crash. Look at these sources. Most of them are far Left, not Fox or Far Right.


    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
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    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
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    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
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    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
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    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.

    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    America has always had racial discrimination. But it was in the 40's and 50's it started to fade and America was at it's best economically. It started fading during the war, when Blacks proved themselves of being able to di as good a job as Whites
     
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    The big change happened in the 1960's when a law was past that companies doing business with the government had to hire so many minorities and women. That brought millions of Blacks into the workplace and worked side by side with Whites. Whites found out they worked as hard as they did and had the same desires as Whites. That help bring the two sides together more than anything else besides the war.
     
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    There are some who are disgruntled by the increased equal opportunity America has achieved.

    They like to harken back to a bygone era of white male dominion, and fantasize that it is a paradise lost.
     
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    Well no kidding. There are those that feel the same way today all over the world, not just America. Japan is a big discriminator to other races. So is Saudi Arabia. You are never going to wipe out racism not only with Blacks but other races. But when Obama was elected President I believe racism was at it's lowest. Many Whites voteed for him. But instead of it getting even better, Obama allowed it to raised it's ugly head again by seeing racism in everything. The bias news just kept driving it home.
    BLM never existed before Obama. Every cop shooting he sent his AG to check out every cop shooting, not trusting local authorities to check it. Any time anyone disagreed with Obama at was racial. I have never heard the word racism or racist as much as I hear it now. The Left use it constantly for everything. That is their weapon to try and get what they want and to trash the other side. .
     
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    The trouble is, most don't come through the entrance points. The sneak across the border and the government prevents states from setting up barrier to keep them out. We have millions in this country that came in illegally and they have prevented local authorities from removing. them. As a matter of fact, the Democrats came up with a bill to bring back criminals we deported and wants the government to fund their return. It hasn't passed yet but the first time it was voted on 44 Democrats voted for it. Even Pelosi condemn Republicans for condemning MS-13, one of the worst gangs in America. Check this bill out on the internet because I know your not going to believe it.

    The most outrageous bill I ever heard of. New Way Forward Bill https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuc...under-bill-aoc-and-other-house-democrats-back
     
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    If you believe that is the position of the opposing viewpoints, there is no chance in reasonable discussion.

    The Republicans have championed most of the equitable changes that have occurred. Agreed?
     
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    Yes, police discrimination was often exposed.

    I observe the typical, disparate experiences in the U.S.

    Consider the educational and career opportunities of a young, gifted, Black girl in the 1950s vs those of an unexceptional White boy whose family benefits from the established "good old boy" network.

    There has been a significant impact upon blue-collar workers, both Black and White, due to the elimination of well-paid manufacturing jobs by technological advances and the weakening of labor unions.
     
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    As a foreigner, here are my 2 cents. :)

    America was great when:

    1. Housing was affordable and there were no people living in tent camps.
    2. The wife could stay at home and not work 2 jobs like today.
    3. Hollywood was making great and inspirational movies. It's a utter disgrace now.
    4. Music was a joy to listen and Billboard magazine meant something.
    5. Stuff was manufactured in America, not China.
    6. Smooth jazz was born.
    7. Men were men and women were women.
    8. Food was GMO-free.
    9. A dollar had value. Now 2 bucks can't buy you a coffee. So I've heard.
    10. Americans were self-reliant and not welfare-reliant.

    There. :)
     
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    In fact, Obama was not only elected, he was re-elected, with over 50% of the popular vote in both 2008 and 2012. (In U.S. history, only FDR, Eisenhower, and Reagan had achieved that) completing his two terms with nearly 60% approval.

    I doubt that we'll see such a unified nation again for quite some time.
     
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    This isn't the 50's sir. Quit making everything about Blacks. If I were Black today I would be pissed at your Party. You make them sound like they can't do anything without the help of the Democratic Party. It's plain bull. Did you watch the video I put up? Nothing to say about it? We need to put America first and not the Party. I really think many of you don't want to know the truth and I dare anyone say most of what I put up is a lie.
     
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    National security and safety trumps ****ing international laws. **** international laws if our country is being gutted from the inside out. And the constitution? That can be amended.

    Country safety and security comes first and foremost.

    What else ya got?
     
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    I would argue that they're not really migrants they're criminals the Constitution absolutely does allow us to do with criminals break into the country illegally.
     
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    Right. They fell in love with his looks and his voice, not his policies. which were terrible. He came out with a health care plan that helped millions but still left about 30 million uninsured. He is considered one of the best Presidents this country ever had, when he was one of the worst. Go to the post I put up of the ten best Presidents we ever had. Look at what I put down on Obama and show me where I lied about him. He was a terrible President, not only with a bad economy, but his handling of foreign affairs. Especially how he handled the wars with ISIS and Ukraine/Russia. Go find all the truth, not just what the bias news wants you to know. Do you find it odd that they never mention the New Way Forward Act thar was in that video? WHy?
     
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    Trump told the UN that Americans will make the laws that effects them, not the UN

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    Despite musings about the halcyon days of yore, I noted the documented, gross inequality of Black and female Americans in the 1950s and 60s, without reference to political parties. (Southern Democrats were especially discriminatory at the time in matters of race.)
     
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