When WAS America great?

And turning themselves in and applying for asylum can give them a legal standing. That's what a court date is about.

 

Millions. We could make an educated guess by looking at statistics like the 6-11% of asylum seekers each year that ghost processing. I don’t care enough to do the math. I doubt it’s dropping with millions added each year.

Reagan just gave potential migrants hope of future amnesty. Unless I missed something. I was just a kid then.

Walls/physical barriers are just imperfect tools like all others. Useful but not a cure all. If they were ineffective the Biden administration wouldn’t care how many Texas erected.

I agree neither party dares to address immigration. The folks who pay to get them elected profit from the process. And the issue fuels fundraising and voting and most of all the all important duopoly. Fixing the problems and making a good legal system kills too many geese that lay golden eggs. But I’ll reiterate. It’s a dangerous game when we have no idea how many of our mortal enemies are coming to live amongst us….

 

If I go to the drugstore and make a legal purchase during business hours the day after I break and enter, it doesn’t negate my illegal actions the night before. That’s not how laws work.

And they still aren’t vetted and can still ghost the legal process at a ten percent rate.

 

A good test is the ability to earn an income. Sterilization should be a condition for receiving welfare payments. This would not be compulsory sterilization, because those deciding not to be sterilized would be denied what they had done nothing to earn, or they could take a low wage job illegal immigrants risk their lives for.

 

Actually, I do not blame skin color but soft on crime leftist policies, which I think is actually attacking black people for reasons. They act sympathetic but in reality, I think they are using black people and destroying their societies, family, education and more. Doing this, for example, keeps peoples divided and not focused on the lack of improvement in people's lives while per capita productivity rises. Reviewing this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/17/opinion/black-lives-matter-depolicing-homicides.html

 

Those are issues congress has to address.
They won't or don't.
R's in the house, along with trump, killed a bipartisan Senate bill that Biden supported.

More agents on the border. More judges and courts to handle the case load.

 

Oh, so only rich people can have kids in your world.

You never addressed what portion of welfare recipients are 100% reliant on welfare. Or even what that welfare would be.
Most receiving some sort of welfare assistance are working.

 

Your post states otherwise.

What you think doesn't seem to correlate to the truth. Maybe that's why you think its blacks.
When crime across the world went up during the pandemic.

Facts show, crime has been going down for decades. Until the pandemic wave.

 

In my lifetime America has always been great. Has it always been perfect? Nope...and it never will. There always has and always will be things that aren't great. But overall it is great...at least in my opinion.

 

How will more agents on the border help? Are they going to prevent entry into the US? If not that doesn’t help. How will more judges help? Won’t that just get more immigrants into the US faster? I guess you might get some eligible to work faster.

I think we should enforce current law before we start spending more on things that don’t have a clearly defined pathway to success.

 

My opinion is accurate. You didn't bother to respond to my answers so you give up. Good luck.

 

I agree but there are times in the past when we were better. We have descended pretty steadily since the 1960's.

 

"Better" and "descended" is relative.

 

Simple. The de-centralization of government. Returning to the foundational values that made this country great. The idea of individual liberty over collectivity. The concept that each individual is the sole driving contributor to the success of the group. Eliminating all of the social justice non-sense and attempts to implement social policy to protect emotions, feelings, and agendas at implementing government as a means of driving social change. We need to stop caring what the world thinks about us and our interests. We are not the world police, and it isn't our responsibility to subsidize the defense of our self serving allies. We need to secure our borders, and THEN modify our immigration policies to bring in people that share our ideals and desire to grow themselves and our country simultaneously. And most importantly, we need to put an end to the agenda that is the destruction of the family unit, hold people accountable, and promote social concepts that provide contribution by everybody.

That's a good start.

 

Middle class and working class people are also entitled to have children in my world.

 

While still allowing in extraordinary numbers of illegals not fixing anything. And attaching a bunch of foreign aid too. Not a single policy attached that will reduce the flow.

That’s why it was rejected and you know it. PORK!!

 

How authoritative of you. I don't like the welfare abusers at all but I do understand there are people who need some help on their way to becoming independent of welfare. So those who need short term help should be sterilized? Sorry but that's some twisted thinking.

 

The idea of individual liberty over collectivity?

Have you even READ the Constitution?

WE the people, in order to form a more perfect UNION, establish Justice and insure domestic tranquility, provide for the COMMON defense, promote the GENERAL WELFARE and secure the blessings of liberty to OURSELVES and OUR POSTERITY...

Trying to see where it says anything about "individual liberty" in there.

Yes, we do a lot to protect individual liberty in the Constitution but that isn't the end all be all goal. It's the means by which we provide for the GENERAL WELFARE and to secure the blessings of liberty to OURSELVES (as a group) and OUR POSTERITY (all those that will follow us)

Meanwhile you very post runs counter to your claims to care about individual liberty over collectivity. Do you even listen to yourself?

"to bring in people that share our ideals"...that's right, anyone who doesn't think like you isn't welcome.
"desire to grow themselves and our country simultaneously"...once again what YOU think is good for the country is welcome. Anyone holding other views can piss off. We got ours, screw you and yours.
"promote social concepts that provide contribution by everybody"...as long as that everybody is a good Christian (or is that "Judeo Christian"?)
"put an end to the the agenda that is the destruction of the family unit"....Daddy, Mommy and 2.5 kids no doubt. No room for Mommy/Mommy or Daddy/Daddy in your world view.

Our whole system of government is geared towards "implementing government as a means of social change". If you think government has no place in "social change" then that means you were against government getting rid of slavery, government forcing the elimination of racist Jim Crow laws, against government insuring the equal treatment of women and LGBTQ and other socially marginalized groups.

Our government is DESIGNED to prevent the tyranny of the majority from trampling on the rights of the minority. That is the very ESSENCE of using government to implement social change.

Your whole post just shows why the MAGA crowd doesn't understand what America is or what it stands for.

You cling to the American flag while you walk all over the US Constitution. You promote the imagery of the country while ignoring it's soul.

 

So ignore it.

 

Thanks for the advice…I will make sure to ignore you next time.

 

The preamble was written from the perspective if the collective. That doesn't mean the country was founded on the principals of collectivism.

The Constitution also says thus about the limitation of government power against citizens:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We absolutley have a government that is not following the equal protections clause. But the collectivists have rationalized that because this unequal protection is supposedly better for the collective, that it is OK.

Individualism is the animating moral principle of our Constitution. It is the idea that each person is an end in himself, endowed by nature with rights to think and act according to his own conscience and interests. Government is a servant, on this view, and it is good to the extent that it protects individuals’ rights to life, liberty, and property.

That sentiment is reflected in the Declaration of Independence, our nation’s founding document, which recognizes our inalienable rights and holds that the purpose of government is “to secure” them. The Constitution states that it is instituted to “establish justice” and “secure the blessings of liberty.”
https://pacificlegal.org/americas-individualist-constitution/

You're connecting dots that don't exist.

Nothing in our declaration of independence, the Federalist Papers, or our Constitution remotely says anything about the responsibility of one person over another.

Because plural words were used, you think that equates to collectivist ideologies?

"we should all go out to dinner for nurishment" in no way means i just obligated a whole bunch of requirements for the meal in the interest of the group. Bob, you have to arrange it, John you have to pay for it, Mary tou have to drive us. Regardless of using the word "we" doesnt authorize this control to then mandate thr group in the groups effort.

Your ability to connect dots that don't exist us unmatched.

Individuals don't believe in anarchy. Try not to approach things in such black and white.

I CAN support the concept of taxing for a equally enjoyed defense department, yet oppose the idea of paying off student loans which only benefits a few.

Your attempting to draw the conversation to an all or nothing perspective to serve your argument. Our society has been experiencing a fundamental shift from individualism to collectivism for some time and I am opposed to it.

Now your just reaching because you ran out of logic.

I'm not religious in the slightest.

Oh, this is a fun game. Define my positions and then try to use your definitions to argue against me.

I'm libertarian. I don't care who marrys who, or what is between their legs.

But these are all quick pot shots too avoid the REAL issues. Lets talk about single family households, the divorce rate, the number of unwed teenage mothers, ferral kids with no guidance. See the real issues are hard... so you scream "homophobe!" and think you proved something.

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Im pretty certain the Civil War was fought by a bunch of indoviduals, citizens, on both sides. You think government pen or gavel solves anything?

Where is that written?

Please point to anything in the Declaration, Federalist, or Constitution that speaks to "minority" groups.

I'll wait.

The level of connecting dots and making ASSumptions is astounding.

I've never voted for Trump and i never will.

You're just regurgitating what Salon.com tells you. Please, try to use some reasoning.

You, you, you...

It's all you got. No logic. No reasoning. No objective debate. Just your side verse everybody else.

The product of the partisan non-sense. Please try to make your points without having to attack the people you have during views from, establish their views to argue against them, or see the world in black and white. Are you capable?

 

That's the problem from what I hear.
Don't spend more money on the issue. And we haven't.

What laws are not being enforced?
I don't see how more will get in faster. Unless there's a lot of them being turned back.

More agents, according to the RW side of things, says they can cover the unwalled/fenced portion of the border.

But the big back log is in the processing of migrants.

 

I don't need luck. And it's a waste of time responding to opinions. Especially uninformed or misinformed ones.

You prove that by making false projections or ad hom attacks.

You need the good luck. Actually, facts would be better.

 

The foreign aid part was approved separately.

So, the border bill still stands, now on it's own. R's in the house and the 2x impeached don't want the dems to address border issues. It's the only base plan they have going for them.

There's no way to stop the flow. People migrate on their own.
Well, the way to address migrant flow is to make the reasons they leave their country go away. Or stop the employers in the country from hiring them.
Which they won't. Not even some of trump businesses.

 

The way to deal with that problem is to stop processing the migrants, and to keep them out.