As Trump romps to wins, anti-Trump Republicans wonder: Do I still have a political home?

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Why did the MAGA storm the Capitol?
     
  2. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

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    Who is this American politician?
    So gracious....not!
    Is she the one who said Jewish space lasers started a Californian wildfire?

     
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    So long as you are aware that trump attempted to hold onto power, through violence, intimidation and fraud, after losing an election.
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and Hillary always contended Trump was an illegitimate President after 2016. They tried to remove Trump from day one. Now they don't want him to run in an election I hope will be fair. You know, Democrats gave Trump a lot to be suspicious about. He wanted the election examined thoroughly. I can't blame him.
     
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    You can’t blame him for trying to stay in power after he lost? That’s anti-American.
     
  6. ToughTalk

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    Was there a verdict? Was Trump offered the ability to defend himself in front of his peers? Or in the name of democracy, you are considering him guilty before proven innocent?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He questioned the election and I can't say I blame him. You don't think Pennsylvania disregarding their own Constitution to change election laws was Anti-American? Do you think flying illegal aliens in in the dead of night is anti-American? Well that's what we have come to!https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...sn&cvid=e123007698da4e0dac563bd538cc2a70&ei=9
     
  8. bx4

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    Those things happened. I didn’t say he was convicted of a crime.
     
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    No, it’s the Trump hard liners who label themselves “moderate” here and elsewhere.
     
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    Lots of folks tried very hard to keep the US out of WWII. I would point out that the US never directly challenged the Soviet Union or the Chicoms. Either of which have proven to be vastly more impactful directly to the US. And no, we don't live in a vacuum. But the experience of WWI was lost. Going to war because the nephew of some really important monarch shouldn't be a reason for the sons of the US to fight and die. Similarly, until Roosevelt failed to stop the attack of Pearl Harbor, the US would not have entered the conflict. The point here is simply to suggest that our leaders have to be much more honest with the public.

    Which is why I so actively point out that our current conflicts are those of a convenience for mr Biden. Ukraine, isn't a national interest of the US. That doesn''t make me a Putin supporter. It makes me an observer of US foreign interests, none of which are aligned with the Ukraine. I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but one has to wonder why the Obama administration spent so much time and effort building all of those bioweapons research facilities in the Ukraine if they understood that the consequence of those actions was to directly put them in jeopardy from a future Russian adventure in the Ukraine.

    If we've learned nothing from watching democrats these last couple decades, it's that they have a penchant for trying to use war for their own agenda. To force conflict and violence on the world around them in the effort to force a transition to their despicable socialist equity world they dream of.
     
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    America didn't 'go to war', it was Germany who declared war on America.
     
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    Ohhhh ok. Guilty until innocent! Gotcha! For democracy, amirite?
     
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    As I said - I didn’t claim he had committed a crime. I stated facts - that Trump tried tos stay in power by using violence, intimidation and fraud, after he had lost an election. That’s the reality. Whether those things amounted to crimes is a different question.
     
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    To a hyper partisan fringe leftie... mild conservatives are represented as extreme.

    It's all about perspective.
     
  15. Turin

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    The answer is..... <drum roll>


    NOPE!
     
  16. Endeavor

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    When government/ state department bring people from foreign country , they no longer illegal. They are legal immigrant.
     
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    So when the state department circumvents the laws passed by the Senate they suddenly become legal? Only in a banana republic!
     
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    Passed what law? I will wait for you to show me the law which prohibited state department to issue legal status to foreign born citizen.
     
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    The war declaration was stupid(and symbolic), a gesture by Germany to show signs of support to Japan(I can only presume they had hoped that by showing such support, the Japanese would help with the Soviet front), well, woops.

    But the principle actor bringing the US into conflict was Japan.
     
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    They were stupid.

    It was a day celebration for you because it's the one thing you side holds on to for dear life.
     
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    Thankfully Hitler was a dumbass. He stated up front that one of the problems Germany created for itself during World War I was to have fronts on both sides, east and west. Then he attacks Russia BEFORE he defeated England. He had Russia on his side as they carved up Poland. Then he attacked Russia and had the eastern and western fronts again.

    At first the Russian people hailed the Germans as liberators from Stalin. Stupid Hitler shot them anyway. We can thank goodness that Hitler was a fool when it came to military strategy.

    He should have known from history that defeating the British across the English Channel was a tough nut to crack. The last one to do it was William the Conqueror in 1066.
     
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    I didn't ask to qualify their gesture.

    I asked why they stormed the Capitol.

    Can you answer this simple question, or is the answer too scary for you?
     
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    They stormed it because stupid Trump held a stupid rally that got them all riled up.

    The Trump supporters think that the government is screwing them and and lying to them. They have a point, but after the die was cast for the 2020 election result, the thing to was start gearing up for 2024.

    If Hillary Clinton had held a stupid rally on the day of Trump's inauguration, your side would have had a riot. They were raising hell in Washington that day and only needed someone to lite the fuse.
     
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    Okay, when I give this opinion I'm about to give, I have to quantify: This opinion is from the prospective of having studied the Third Position, and I consider myself.a Third Positionist for the US. So, I'm glad we won the war. Now about Barbarossa: It was always Hitler's intent as we know to 'expand East'. If we put ourselves in his shoes, as you state England wasn't defeated yet and despite the Molotov-Rippentoff pact, Russia was a belligerent against Germany and the Austrian-Hungarian Empire off WWI.

    Point being, from Hitler's POV, A Russian liquidation further than the Baltics wasn't just possible, but inevitable. He might have seen the two-front as inevitable at that point.

    He could have tried to expand his efforts to defeating England, but with the loss of air superiority, that wasn't possible(and might have never been possible.)

    So I don't think he was stupid, I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place, and one way to get Britain to sue for peace is to knock the Soviets out of any possible intervention into Europe(we know Stalin desperately wanted the second front to open)

    I think Hitler should have, at this point(Pre-Barbarossa), taken a Napoleon approach to Britain: Revive the Continental System. With all of Europe essentially under his control, it would not have been hard. Guarantee the free passing of US Ships in exchange for neutrality.

    And very slowly starve the British into suing for peace. He should have used a lull in time after consolidation into building his navy to eventually challenge Britain and the US if necessary.

    He should've played the long game, instead of focusing on living space.
     
  25. Arkanis

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    Either you don't want to answer my question or you don't understand it.

    There's a specific reason why MAGA rioted at the Capitol.

    What is it?
     

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