Aid to Gaza suspended after Israel murders World Central Kitchen workers

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Israel does not own Palestine.

    Palestine is a state recognized by 193 sovereign states.

    The idea that Israel can attempt to steal Palestine using its war machine is absolutely illegal. And, that Israel lowered themselves to slaughter through starvation in order to steal property of Palestinians living on that land will NEVER be forgotten in world history.
     
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    You asked for names, and claimed that only children above a certain age have been killed. I provided the names and ages of the victims. Bickering over whether a child killed by a terrorist was 10 months old or two months older is sickening.

    I'm not interested in being always right. I'm interested in getting facts right. I try to provide accurate information. Whether that contradicts your beliefs or even something I might have said before I knew better, it's irrelevant.

    There's a lot of misinformation - and disinformation - in the media.

    As I already told you, it took months to find out the identities of all the victims, and we're not done yet (we still don't know how many of the hostages are still alive). Some of the initial reports were not accurate. I provided the latest update from the Israeli government. I know it's accurate because I witnessed the whole process in real-time, through the various Israeli news channels and reporting in the Israeli media, including the correction of previous mistaken reports. I believe that all, or at least most, early mistakes have been corrected and the information available now accurately reflects reality.

    I don't care what you think about me. I've never met an anti-Zionist who didn't try to hurt my feelings. I've become immune to such tactics.
     
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    Let me guess: ihbid194?
     
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    I can't answer your question, because it contains a false premise.
     
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    Israel is eradicating Hamas who hudes in populated neighborhoods in Gaza fir defense. The Gazan civilians want Hamas gone and self rule with Israeli security.

    Israel left Gaza in 2005. They will not make that mistake again.

    Listen to the first day after hamas plan.
     
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    Hamas has been eliminated as a fighting force everywhere but Rafah. The IDF is mopping up elsewhere in Gaza to the delight and benefit of Gazan civilians.
     
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    Hamas steals the humanitarian aid which crosses the border.

    Hamas is responsible for the conditions in Gaza.

    Their was plenty of food, water, and fuel in Gaza prior to 2005. The Gazan economy was strong. There was no blockade or significant border control. All that changed because of the actions of Hamas.

    There is no two state solution possible as proven in Gaza after 2006.

    The only correct comparison with the Nazis is Hamas. Both wanted genocide of the Jees.
     
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    Or perhaps after WW2 New Mexico could have been renamed New Israel and the Zionists wouldn't have repeated the same crimes of Joshua and his band of murdering thieves ~3200 years ago, and the current and future issues would not have occurred.
     
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    Israel wants to settle Gaza just like they are colonizing West Bank.

    Israelis have showed up IN Gaza to start identifying land they want.

    They are told by the IDF that it's too early.

    You claim this "democracy" crap, but Israel has no democracy for Palestinians in West Bank sections Israel governs.

    You have a fairy tale version that absolutely makes NO sense whatsoever.
     
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    I've posted vids of operations being carried out in ALL parts of Gaza.

    Did you see the one where a soldier walked up to an Israeli tank and attached a mine, then retreated to his hiding?

    The IDF hides inside those tanks and personnel carriers. They hid behind berms the bulldoze.

    The IDF has admitted that there is a staggering amount of tunnel laid out as a web, and that they haven't blown up more than a tiny fraction.

    What would you like to see videos of?
     
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    I totally disagree.

    Palestine HAS a land - the land of their fathers. The land where there people are buried.

    There is absolutely no justification for the horrendous crimes being committed.

    What we need is for Israel to STOP the slaughter, the theft, the atrocities.
     
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    So where is "the land of their fathers" and where are their people buried, given that the Palestinians are Semites too and have lived in that area for millenia?
     
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    The Zionists, however, are behaving like the Nazis in their final solution to eliminate the Palestinians and completely occupy their land. Prior to the Zionist takeover of Palestine in the late 40's, the occupants lived in harmony for centuries, and the Jews supported the Moslems against the Crusaders for example.
     
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    Justifying the murder of those who are simply feeding unarmed people is moral depravity.
     
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    False.

    My original list which you objected to contains the names and ages of both the ten-year-old and the baby who died at the hospital.
    You defended the following false story which was being used to justify the murder of 7 people trying to feed the the people of with Israel has killed hundreds of babies and thousands of children,

    "Did you see a video of the IDF soldier holding the Palestinian mother and father at gunpoint? He took their 1 year old child from the mother and the 2 year old child from the father, placed them on the ground in front of the parents, poured gasoline on them and set them on fire while their parents were forced to watch. Then those evil Israeli people were cheering in the streets afterwards, their women screaming like caterwauling cats in heat.

    Oh! Wait a minute.... that was Palestinian soldiers on 10/7. My bad."

    You're welcome to provide facts. As I said and shown before, I incorporate them all. But why would you defend this false story if you're just interested in the facts?
     
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    First, if you haven't noticed, technology has gone a long way since 1983. Second, how many times did they bomb the same hospital? Once? or Three times? Third, how many thousands of children did the U.S. bomb to death in Grenada? Fourth, try to keep on topic.
     
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    Yes, I was wrong.

    However, your list was way too short.

    I don't know if this particular story is true or not. There are some facts I'm better off not knowing, like the full extent of the October 7th atrocities, but I know that terrorists set whole families on fire, including the family of the two-year-old Omer. This is one of the reasons why it took so long to identify the victims. Archeologists sifted through the charred remains to find fragments of bones for DNA analysis.
     
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    They controlled Gaza from 1967 through 2005. That is historical fact.
     
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    That is called mopping up. And now with much greater support from Gazan civilians who want Hamas gone and the security provided by Israel to return. The only intact Hamas terrorist battalions are in Rafah (~ 4000).
     
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    Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is absolutely absurd. The United Nations established a two state solution in 1947. The Arabs attacked and have been doing so ever since.
     
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    Jews have lived in Gaza and what is now known as the West Bank for thousands of years. However, they were forced to leave following massacres by Arabs and the intervention of British authorities.

    On August 23, 1929, Arabs murdered 67 Jews in a massacre in Hebron. Three days later, the British evacuated the 484 survivors, including 153 children, to Jerusalem.

    After six days of rioting, the British finally brought in troops to quell the disturbance. Even though Jews had been living in Gaza and Hebron for centuries, following these riots, the British forced Jews to leave their homes and prohibited Jews from living in the Gaza Strip and Hebron to appease Arabs and quell violence.​

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/arab-riots-of-the-1920-s

    Various actors have constantly rewarded Arabs for violence against Jews, starting with the British a century ago. Why would they renounce violence, then?
     
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    The territory from river to the sea was part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years prior to WWI. The Turks lost control to the British until the United Nations partitioned the land into a two state solution in 1947. Arabs moved out of 1947 Israel being promised certain victory by the five Arab countries in 1948. The Arabs failed but have been attacking Israel ever since.
     
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    The topic is attacks on civilians, so yes the bombing of a hospital meets that subject. They only bombed it once, which demolished the hospital, so fortunately the bombing stopped after that, or they finally realized that the hospital looked nothing like an anti aircraft battery.
    But the US has a history of bombing civilians.
    https://theintercept.com/2015/10/07/a-short-history-of-u-s-bombing-of-civilian-facilities/
     
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    They teamed up with HAMAS. That is not a neutral thing. At all.
     
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    You failed to respond to the rest of the questions.

    This means you lost.

    Moving on.
     

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