Trump is a bad person. Why would anybody vote for him?

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Economy is indeed #1 priority. Trump's economic record is one of the worst in 100 years. 30% rise in unemployment, massive increase in debt, 1.5% average GDP growth, new import taxes.....

    And Trump apologists routinely call anyone who is critical of him mentally deranged.
     
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  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So let's cut through the crap. Do you or do you NOT care that Trump tortured children by separating them from their parents?

    You jumped into a thread in which THAT is the topic. If you do participate, we expect to find an answer to the question.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    are you counting covid in that-because before that happened, his economy and unemployment was very good.
     
  4. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    We reject your hysterical claims that children were TORTURED because their parents violated the laws of the USA by entering illegally
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    what do you think his net worth is these days.
     
  6. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it was barely average before Covid, and why on earth would anyone NOT count all 4 years of his presidency? He had his chance to handle Covid differently, but he decided panic / chaos mode, and burning through astronomical amount of money. Also, spending and deficits shot up as soon as he took office. You support that, and you have your vote to support it in the future as well.

    Make no mistake about it, if/when gun bans become popular, he WILL grab your guns. Anything to appease the popular opinion
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    we both know that given the lack of information coming from the source of Covid-there was no obvious RIGHT way to deal with it and massive problems to adopt any course of action. You have seen my posts long enough to know that 1) I am not a fan of Trump 2) but his judicial picks are far better than Biden's.

    Agendas I truly despise are 1) gun bannings etc 2) affirmative action and racial spoils. 3) class warfare

    and the Democrats are the party of all three
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    The point being, many are...
     
  9. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    That's my point.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is a textbook populist, and if gun banning wins popular opinion, he will act quickly to ban them. Make no mistake about it.

    And the economy before Covid was barely average, and him trying to advertise it as "best economy in history of mankind" does not change the facts. 2.4% annual growth 2017-2019 is barely average. Heck, he called such economic numbers under Obama "pathetic" and "anemic". I'm surprised you'd fall for his bluster.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    I think you much smarter then that ;)
     
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    philosophical Well-Known Member

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    Eh? Is this post quoting me supposed to mean something?
    Opposing Trump does not make someone left wing.
    Biden isn’t left wing either. If he was he would do something about all those Americans with inadequate healthcare.
     
  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In what regard?
     
  14. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you being so vague? Speak up.
     
  15. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Can you clarify?
    I don't follow MAGA BS.
     
  16. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    You're just upset she's black.
    And throw in the fact, female.
    That's the real issue for MAGA.
     
  17. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Link? Or FAKE!!

    Credible link if you choose to provide one.
     
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    2.4% growth under Trump was real growth, not the subsidized monstrosity Biden is inflating with federal spending.
     
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    While I agree with you on Trump being a bad person, the choice for voters this November is between Trump and Biden unless you want to add RFK Jr. to that mix. Both are almost equally disliked by most Voters. 55.2% of all Americans view Biden negatively or unfavorably, 53.6% of all Americans have a negative or unfavorable view of Trump.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/joe-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump

    59% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again, 56% don’t want Trump to run again either.

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_mTlzQOB.pdf

    Sure, both are disliked and unwanted, but for different reasons. Trump being a bad person, his obnoxious, rude, crude personality turns a lot of folks off. Trump is mostly disliked as a man, an individual, a person. Whereas Biden, it’s his job performance. 41% overall job approval, Biden is also well below 40% approval on his handling of most issues.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

    Trump may be a bad man, no doubt about that in my mind. But being a bad man, perhaps those who feel they were much better off personally under Trump than under Biden overrides for some Trump being that bad man. They don’t want to continue under Biden, most Americans don’t want him reelected. At the same time, they don’t want Trump to regain the white house. 64% of all Americans want another choice other than Biden and Trump. But they’re being forced to choose between them, those two that opt to vote. Which is worse, the bad man who many think they were better off personally when the bad man was president or the present president who they think is too old for another term along with failing to do the job he was elected to do. Trump is the only viable alternative to those who don’t want Biden to remain as president. A bad choice for sure, but one foisted on them by the democrats nominating Biden. That’s one hell of a choice one must make.
     
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    He inherited millions, but not $700 million. lol
     
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    Some people are a lot smarter than others. Some recognize bullshit, and reject it ---- others make a diet of it, and never learn. And those who do are not who you think they are.
     
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    This is what you posted:

    AH SO YOU'RE attacking PF members then, good to know ;)

    What ‘point’ were you supposedly making?
    (As in ‘the point being’)
     
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    well his appointments to the bench say otherwise and his adult sons are hard core pro gun advocates.

    tell us Pro Line-which of the two candidates are you going to vote for>|?
     
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