Trump is a bad person. Why would anybody vote for him?

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those comments make zero sense and you cannot prove one bit of it.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    nah, you all need to learn there is a difference between voting for a candidate and buying into a cult of personality
     
  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    start listing them

    1) we can start with the oft repeated lie that Trump has been convicted of Rape
    2) that he is a racist
    3) and my favorite-that biden is a better president
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    many Biden followers hate the constitutional republic that we have. They want to balkanize it into a bunch of warring special interest states, divided by ethnicity, gender, or gender confusion
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmm, if your answer is a joke, I didn't understand it, IMHO it is not funny at all.
    I said: "My opinion about Trump policy: bad policy the same as bad policy is releasing illegal’s with children.". You don't have to rocket scientist to understand that I don't support separation of children from parents - in case my answer was too difficult for you to understand - let me write as simple as I can - don't support separation of children from parents.

    I also asked you: "Will you vote for people who torture American children by separating them from their jailed parents?"

    And you instead of answering wrote "Your inability to respond to a simple question intended to clarify my initial interpretation of your response DEMONSTRATES that I was right."

    Maybe you meant "My inability to respond to your simple question DEMONSTRATES that I wrong"?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait……DEMOCRATS are a cult of personality ?
     
  7. Fred68

    Fred68 Well-Known Member

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    WTF?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    He's talking about the child separation policy, which included people who entered here legally being separated from their families in detainment.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    That however is precisely what it did. Trump did more to free Americans than and democrat since Jefferson.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    That is called being idiotic. Obama used the same cages in fact he built them. So I guess Obama was torturing children too.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    18 U.S. Code § 2340 - Definitions
    (1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;​

    severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—​

    (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
    (B)...
    (C)...
    (D)the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, ...​

    So WHY did Trump enact the policy? He told us: because when you separate families, they SUFFER.

    Trump: "When you hear that you’re going to be separated from your family, you don’t come...."
    Trump: "If they feel there will be separation, they won’t come..."​

    Of course, the next excuse you will make up for your "beloved leader" will be something to the effect of "where did he use the word 'suffer'" or "quote where he said 'go torture children'".... or something idiotic to that effect. Don't bother.... I'm just leaving this here so I can reference this post to anybody who asks.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But none of that proves that was Trump's intent.

    Suffer does not mean torture.

    Like I said, you made a lot of accusations, but proved nothing.
     
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    HOGWASH.
     
  14. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It only proves that's what he SAID his intent was. But Trump IS the most pathological liar this country has ever seen. So maybe his REAL intent was not was not what he said.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    However, there is one overriding fact. We have a right and obligation to stop people from illegally crossing our border. The illegals were warned ahead of time what would happen if they tried to cross. They chose to try anyway. If there is any blame to be had in this case, it rests solely with the illegal parents who chose to abuse our hospitality.

    I am getting very tired of people coming across our border illegally with no consequences. It is time to stop. Trump stopped most of them. Biden's free and easy border policy is putting our country at risk because of drugs and terrorists. That does not even address the economic impact which many of the so-called Sanctuary Cities are now complaining about.
     
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    Two early things I experienced regarding Trump.
    1) He said on TV that he wrote the book, "Art of the Deal" to also warn people that should know they wouldn't be good at this not to even try. Disappointing.
    2) He took out a full page newspaper ad outraged over the rape and near murder of an innocent girl asking in outrage where our death penalty was. This seems very human. The guy has real feelings. I don't see any upside for him in making this ad. I don't think he had any political objective (help him run of office at that time). He was just like so many of us feeling enraged and outraged at a system that doesn't seem to care (and is arguably much, much worse now).
    He's not a perfect person. Certainly better than Obama who opened cages for kids. Trump closed them. Biden opened them back up.
    Great men are seldom good. Biden seems to be one of the worst people of all time. Trump is a much better man but he still has faults. Why can't we get better? In this world, being as good as Trump and still run in these circles may be about as good as we can get.
     
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    Incorrect. I am quoting judicial findings, you know, the things we live our lives by.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where in there did he say "torture".
     
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    go back and read what I wrote,
     
  20. Golem

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    Not the topic of this thread. But even if somebody DID cross the border illegally, that is not an excuse to torture their children.
     
  21. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is very much a topic of this thread because it is part of the big picture and the reason for what followed.
    What about the parents who were warned what would happen? They are more responsible than Trump or the border guards.
     
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    All of which will be rendered moot as soon as the appeals go through.
     
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    Whatever an appeal court says, it is historical fact that a Jury found sexual assault (rape) and a Judge found swindling and 'bordering on pathological.'
     
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    If you are unable to deal with so many conservative Republicans who served in his administration opposing his serving again - as is very well documented - that is unfortunate,

    I hope that you will come to grips with reality.
     
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    John Bolton said he will write-in Dick Cheaney.
     

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