Why Trump should win his NY hush money trial

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Still pushing misinformation, I see.
     
  2. Hey Now

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    Still playing lawyer I see....hug that denial cloak tightly brah... :)
     
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    They’re not, my red herring amigo. Yes, he did, my incorrect chum.
     
  4. Nemesis

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    In a community theater production of “Legally Blonde” where he’s the understudy. Bill is wrong again.
     
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    I appreciate his consistency, it's reassuring :)
     
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    Of course he won't testify but imagine the fall-out if he did? lol
     
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    Still struggling to accept any reality that interferes with Trump worship, I see.
     
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    Will Alan Weisselberg be shipped over from Rikers so he can chime in from the stand?

    Though there is that audio of you and him, Michael. hehehe

    'Cohen signals Trump ‘should be worried’ about hush money case'
    BY LAUREN IRWIN - 03/26/24 8:45 AM ET

    "He shouldn’t be worried about me,” Cohen said in a recent interview with MSNBC. “He should be worried about the Manhattan district attorney, the district attorney of New York prosecutors — he should be worried about the documentary evidence, he should be worried about all of the witnesses that are going to be coming into that trial simply because, as others have also appropriately put it, this is a simple case.”
     
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    The Battle Begins: Trump’s Trial Tests American Justice.

    'By going after Donald Trump and putting him outside the protection of the law in order to neutralize him politically, the regime is simultaneously undermining your rights and legal protections. '

    'Monday, April 15, 2024, is not only Tax Day in the United States. It is also the day that this country will take another fateful step towards banana republic-like tyranny. For it is the day that New York District Attorney Alvin Bragg—or, to give him his full title, “Soros-funded District Attorney Alvin Bragg”—will begin his 34-count felony trial against Donald Trump.'

    'is paying someone to sign a non-disclosure agreement a crime? No. Then what’s going on here?'

    'In a certified Banana Republic, the regime finds someone it dislikes and then calls out the legal bloodhounds to discover or, if need be, to manufacture a crime as a pretext to take out the undesirable person.'

    “it’s a trial that shouldn’t happen in a case Mr. Bragg shouldn’t have brought.”

    “He turns an uncharged misdemeanor into 34 felonies,” McCarthy said recently, “while when dealing with violent crime in Manhattan, he turns felonies into misdemeanors.”

    These Leftists are tiring of hiding their criminal abuse of power, and becoming much more open about it.
     
  10. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    I completely understand the reality of the anti-Trumper cult...lol
     
  11. Patricio Da Silva

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    Nice spin, but that argument will be crushed, easily.

    Cohen's testimony will be corroborated by:

    1. David Pecker (Nat. Enquirer)
    2. Dylan Howard (Nat. Enquirer)
    3. Stormy Daniels
    4. Hope Hicks
    5. Keith Davidson (Daniel's attorney)

    To name a few.


    That Trump lied about his records is a slam dunk. What Bragg has to prove, to raise the charges from a misdemeanor to a felony is that Trump decieved the government about the true nature of his payments to Cohen, that they were not for legal services, but using Cohen as a conduit to funnel payments to Stormy Daniel's, and this will be relatively easy to prove, in my opinion.

    The big questions that Trump, & Co, must answer, and will not answer (because Trump is not honest) are these:

    "Why would his lawyer, Michael Cohen, take out a huge equity loan on his property to pay Daniels?"

    "How does cohen benefit from doing this?

    "How does Trump benefit from this?

    "When was it done?"

    "What is the proof".

    There will be testimony and physical evidence to all of the above, that

    1. Cohen did it, because, at the time, he was a dedicated Trump loyalist, and felt it was his patriotic duty to help Trump.

    2. Cohen would ultimately benefit because Trump paid him back more than Cohen gave to Daniels. Whether this was the design, I do not know.

    3. Trump benefits because it covers up the fact that he is using Cohen as a conduit to pay Daniels indirectly, and thus the hard evidence doesn't come back to him.

    4. Trump made the payments during his time as President.

    5. We have, A, corroborating testimony from several sources. B. Taped conversations. C. copies of signed checks from Trump to Cohen.

    The answer to these 100% comport to the idea that Trump was the beneficiary of the hush money payments, and Cohen Benefitted because he charged interest on the loan to Trump.

    The money Trump paid to Stormy, paid during his time in the Whitehouse, was a de facto an unreported in kind campaign contribution in which more than one law was broken, thus raising the misdemeanors to felonies.
     
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    Well, you have experience in ONE cult….
     
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    So, Trump was trying to "deceive the government"?...lol

    Trump can loan as much money to his own campaign as he wants and there's no limit.
     
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    That's your conclusion, not that of the FEC or DOJ. While it's true that these agencies did not pursue charges against Trump in relation to the payments to Cohen, this does not necessarily mean that they found no violation occurred.


    His payments to Cohen were, in my opinion, de facto in kind campaign contributions.

    Doing that, per se, isn't illegal, but not reporting it, is a felony (well, circumstances and facts surrounding the acts, matter, of course).

    Relevant law Trump may have violated "in my opinion" (though "IANAL"):

    Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA): This is the primary federal law governing campaign finance. It regulates the raising and spending of money in federal elections. The specific provisions of FECA relevant to this scenario include reporting requirements for contributions and expenditures, contribution limits, and prohibitions on certain sources of contributions.

    Title 52 of the United States Code (U.S.C.), Sections 30101-30146: This section of the U.S. Code encompasses the Federal Election Campaign Act and details the various provisions related to campaign finance, including reporting requirements, contribution limits, and prohibitions.

    2 U.S.C. §§ 434, 441a, 441f, and 441g:

    Whether they rise to felonies will depend on factors and circumstances which will be raised in the trial. We shall see.

    the way I see it, Bragg has a 50/50 chance winning. The case will rise on whether there are enough mitigating circumstance to deny Bragg that the unreported in kind payments were felonies, but misdemeanors, which will reduce the 34 counts to misdemeanors, which will mean, effectively, Trump wins. I think the case will center on testimony of Daniels, Cohen, Pecker. et al.
     
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    Can you substantiate your claim that the SDNY atty said 'it did not happen'.
     
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    That does not claim Biden is mentally unfit to be president, nor does it rise to any kind of professional assessment of Biden's mental health. Did not elsewhere in the transcript Hur declared that Biden had a 'photographic memory'?
     
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    Love those guys.
     
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    How many felons are there out there who incited an insurrection, who, with conspirators, plotted to overturn the election, and disrupted the peaceful transfer of power, on top of poisoning the confidence in America Democracy to some 65 million Americans?
     
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    If they didn't persue charges, then that means no violation occured.

    Bragg can prosecute Federal campaign finance violations, even if there was one.
     
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    Trump didn't incite an insurrection.
     
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    No, he can’t. Hence, he hasn’t.
     
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    Of course he didn’t!! He didn’t invite kooks because it “will be wild”, didn’t urge the nuts to go to the capitol to “take the country back”, didn’t meet with lunatics to conspire to thwart the transition of power, wait 3 hours to stop the invasion of the Capitol. He didn’t do anything else!

    Good call, Bill!
     
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    He DID say to go to the capital "peacefully", so there's no evidence he incited an insurrection. You're supposed to be a lawyer and would understand that.
     
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    Answer me this Billy, if Agent Oranges had not stiffed Pecker on a previous catch and kill story, Agent Oranges would never had to have Cohen in this mess. He should have just paid Pecker back but no, he could not help himself and Pecker ended up telling him to pound sand on the Stormy Night. :D
     
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    He said that once, my super well informed friend. He used inflammatory language in the rest of his diatribe that day . Moreover, you apparently never asked yourself why he did nothing for over 3 hours while his kook supporters ransacked and pooped in our capitol…because they were doing what he wanted!
     

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