Solar now accounts for over 50% of new electricity capacity added to the U.S. grid

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Excess solar power is a great problem to have - easily remedied, which will happen very quickly. When it does, I expect all of you to simply let this overhyped narrative simply fade away.
     
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    I've also discussed rate structures with charging of EVs. During solar peaks, the power companies could easily provide an advantageous usage rate, and more than likely solve this problem without any infrastructure changes. Utilities could even make an APP available that allows them to indirectly control when the EV charges.

    That said, some power companies are "anti-renewables", although they'll publicly state the opposite, and they will blow this out of proportion.
     
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    Your misleading replies hurts everyone since you continue to ignore the rising prices due to them being part of the mix since the back ups are still running since ruinables are irregular and sometimes absent when wind drops off and cloudy days and no sun at night.

    Wind and solar can't replace 24/7 power generation at all.
     
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    Your lack of imagination continues to underwhelm
     
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    Your lack of a cogent counterpoint convinced everyone else that you have no argument to offer.
     
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    I’ve made my point. Your argument is moot. When every state starts getting 70% of their power from renewables, like Iowa, then we can discuss the limitations that you are railing about.
     
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    Your lack of a cogent counterpoint convinced everyone else that you have no argument to offer.
     
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    The energy counter-transition has begun.

    The Climate Cult Reacts As Its Political Position Begins To Slip

    May 05, 2024/ Francis Menton

    • For two decades and more, the political position of the climate alarm cult in the U.S. and Europe has only seemed to strengthen with time.

    • In the U.S., the Obama and Biden Administrations have both pushed huge regulatory initiatives to restrict use of fossil fuels (with only some modest roll-backs during Trump’s four years); some of the most sweeping restrictions got pushed through just a week ago.

    • Meanwhile, blue states like California and New York have enacted ever-more-extreme restrictions by statute. In Europe, there has been a near all-party political consensus in favor of the “net zero” agenda, notably including even the mainstream conservative parties in the largest countries like the UK and Germany.

    • I have long said that sooner or later a combination of physical reality and cost would stop the “net zero” juggernaut in its tracks.
    READ MORE
     
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    Again, you’re missing the point. Wind and solar don’t need to provide 24/7 today. Get to 70% everywhere else, like Iowa. Reach that milestone first, then let’s talk 24/7.
     
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    Baseload back-up (fossil or nuclear) must be 24/7.
     
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    They never will as Solar doesn't work at night, BOOM 24/7 becomes impossible.
     
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    The Iowa wind power subsidy is not likely to be available everywhere.
     
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    Like Iowa, wind (or solar) first, with NG plant backup. Works like a champ - 70% of power from wind!
     
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    It exist because of massive subsidy without it would quickly become too expensive to run.

    Your profoundly one-sided cheerleading of an intermittent low mass power generation is destroying your reputation.
    and it is BORING!
     
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    How much more would electricity cost in Iowa, without the subsidies? You do realize that new fossil fuel power plant construction was curtailed. These would have cost much more than the subsidies to farmers.
     
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    LOL, the subsidies is what is driving up the cost and that 24/7 power generation MUST sufficient to keep the grid from collapsing.
     
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    The "energy transition" is a lie. New fossil fuel electricity generation continues to outpace renewables both in the US and abroad, and the lead is growing.
    What The Media Won’t Tell You About The Energy Transition
    Reposted from Robert Bryce’s Substack
    …hope for a quick and sweeping transition to renewable energy is fueled mostly by wishful thinking and a misunderstanding of recent history. . . .

    The punchline here is obvious: We are not in the midst of a major energy transition. Instead, what we are seeing is the media echo chamber at work. Media outlets are giving undeserved credibility to the idea of the energy transition despite a metric ton of evidence that shows no such transition is happening, particularly in developing countries like Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, and Vietnam. Indeed, the surge in the use of the phrase by the Biden administration — and its many allies in big media outlets — shows that we’re being bombarded by a public relations campaign that’s designed to convince the public and policymakers that an energy transition is happening and that we should be spending staggering sums of money on it.

    A decade ago, energy analyst and polymath Vaclav Smil wrote, “hope for a quick and sweeping transition to renewable energy is fueled mostly by wishful thinking and a misunderstanding of recent history.” He explained that “for any new energy source to capture a large share of the market require two to three generations: 50 to 75 years.” He concluded, “Energy transitions on a national or global scale are inherently protracted affairs.” That statement was true in 2014. And will be true for decades to come. Just don’t expect to read about it in major media outlets.
     
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    New power plants are the primary driver of increased electricity rates.
     
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    LOL 557 and Jack already destroyed that falsehood..... several times now.
     
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    LOL - Not
     
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    The fly rarely has a good word for the swatter.
     
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    His problem is that he is too invested in it to see the whole set up objectively which is why he gets corrected over and over, eventually he will get left behind when we tire of his over the top advocacy and go on.
     
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    You have no idea about rate structures, renewables, net- metering, peak load, and other utility management principals. Through your posts you have made false assertions about management of backup power for renewables, which makes it quite clear you don’t have a clue. Nor does Jack Hays, who only has a business background.
     
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    How come you left out 557.......

    Meanwhile you have ignored official news of flagging sales, massive corporate losses, amazingly generous subsidies and tax breaks, showed that Buffet does WindPower for the government handout numbering in the BILLIONS but wind power isn't a viable investment without it in his view, ignore the spiraling power prices caused by ruinables while the backup power generation installment actually INCREASED over time to back it up.

    Try to be more objective or you will greatly suffer from the growing set back wave that is already coming.

    What The Media Won’t Tell You About The Energy Transition


    Chart 7

    I published this chart last month in “Natty Nation.” I’m using it again here because it illustrates the point at hand. Yes, China, India, and other countries are burning more coal. The U.S. is reducing its use of coal. And yet, despite massive federal subsidies and numerous mandates at the local and state levels, wind and solar energy aren’t keeping pace with the growth in natural gas.


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