God Is Knocking...

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  1. AllEvil

    AllEvil Active Member Past Donor

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    Call me crazy, but it seems like "Ahhhh, another pleasant atheist is heard from" was dripping with sarcasm. Is it so unpleasant to hear your own voice from another person?

    (I couldn't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about Obama - it has nothing to do with that.)
     
  2. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    I don't worship anything. Worship is bad, always.
     
  3. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    Proto-Hebrew was clearly influenced by Sumerian/Babylonian mythology.
     
  4. Quantrill

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    What makes you say that?

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  5. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Worship... obsession... not much difference. Notice you spend alot of time in the religion section. Do you feel a calling to deny God?
     
  6. Quantrill

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    No you don't. You live in an illusion. Your telling me that there are things you wouldn't change if you could. Things you would do if you could, but can't.

    See, you don't do as you plese. God does as He pleases.

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  7. rstones199

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    When you 'god' is in the way of my rights...yes.

    If you don’t want your 'god' questioned, then get your 'god' out of my schools, my rights and my life, etc.

    Simple really, not that I expect the religious sheeple to understand.
     
  8. rstones199

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    Pot meet kettle.
     
  9. Quantrill

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    Oh, make no mistake, God is going to give you your rights.

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  10. Quantrill

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    God is no illusion. You thinking you do as you please is an illusion.

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  11. rstones199

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    Ahh, so there is no freewill....You lose. :mrgreen:
     
  12. Quantrill

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    Why, I never said there was freewill. I said you don't get to do as you please. Do you?

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  13. rstones199

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    I do, because I have freewill, because there is no god.
     
  14. Quantrill

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    You're telling me there is nothing in this world you would change if you could. Nothing you would do but can't? Go ahead and lie to me.

    You don't have free will. You have a will that can be exercised only in the things it can. But so many things it can't.

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  15. rstones199

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    Someone once told me, that if you are going to say that you can't do something, its better be something like, you can't grow wings and fly.

    If that is that can'ts you are speaking off, I will agree. Otherwise, there is NOHTING you cannot do. Only your own personally laziness will stop someone from achieving what they want.
     
  16. Quantrill

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    Im speaking of your will. You cannot have your will in things you may like to.

    Someone is dying in the hospital, you would like to see them live. But your will is useless. They die. If you could have willed it, you would have. You don't get your way. You don't do as you please.

    Your will is bound by those things around you. Things come up in your life that you do not have power to control. You have to make a decision of which no decison is good. If you had your way, you would not have to make the decision. If you had free will you would not make the decision. But you don't. You have to make a decison and live with it. You don't do as you please.

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  17. kmisho

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    A lot of things, for instance the appearance of Leviathan. But here we're talking about tracking the origin of the 12 disciples to the 12 tribes of Israel to the 12 signs of the Zodiac that originated with the Sumerian calendar. The Bible says Abraham was from Ur (of the Chaldees), a Sumerian city.

    Also, the earliest Leviathan-like myths are Sumerian.
     
  18. rstones199

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    Someone dieing is a natural part of life.

    Come back when you have a real example.
     
  19. kmisho

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    The term freewill has NEVER meant total freewill. When people speak of freewill, they do not mean the ability to take a deep breath and fly to Andromeda.

    Freewill is about the elbow-room we have (or imagine we have) to do at least some things in more than one mechanical way.
     
  20. rstones199

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    Amazing how an atheist can have a better idea of what 'free will' is over the theist.
     
  21. Quantrill

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    It is a real example. Your will is powerless, save in certain situations. You don't do as you please. You had no decision in being born. You will make no deicsins on whether or not you die. Yet inbetween those times you act like you have your way. The arrogance and foolishness of man.

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  22. rstones199

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    Someoens death has nothing to do with my freewill.

    Why dont you figure out what freewill is to begin with.
     
  23. Quantrill

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    So, Abraham was from Ur.

    The Zodiac was created long before the Sumerians. The Zodiac was created by God. In the Zodiac God gave man the revelation of the redeemption to come.

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  24. kmisho

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    I actually have had this argument with many atheists, but you are one who sees it the same as I do.

    Some atheists think that atheism implies determinism because denying determinism implies dualism or that some things happen for "no reason."

    The tables can be flipped though. As I see it, if you're going to be a determinist then you may as well believe in God because there can be no difference between a block universe and a universe in the presence of omniscience.
     
  25. rstones199

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    Lets break this down further:

    I am not powerless on how long I live. If I smoke, drink heavily, or do drugs, my life expectancy should decrease dramatically.

    Conversely, if I exercise regularly and eat health, I should expect to live longer than.

    FREE WILL to exercise or not, smoke or not, drink or not.

    As stated before – go figure out what freewill is. The arrogance and foolishness of theists is amazing.
     

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