God Is Knocking...

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  1. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

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    It has nothing to do with your free will because you don't have free will. I know what free will is. Its your ability to exercise and have your will. You indicated you do as God, which is you do as you please because you have free will. But you don't have free will and you don't do as you please.

    Your will isn't free. A will that is free is not hindered in having its way. Your will is forced to be exercised in things it many times does not want to be involved in. And your will is powerless many times in having what it wants.

    You don't have free will. Come back when you get a grip on what free will is.

    Quantrill
     
  2. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    Now you're just making things up. The (dubious)mathematical foundations of the Sumerian Zodiacal calendar are well-understood. The Sumerian calendar is based on a 360-day year of 12 months with exaclty 30 days each. This is, incidentally, why we to this day divide a circle into 360 degrees. Notice their 360-day year leaves out about 5 days every year. They preferred the orderliness of the 360-day ballpark figure over the actual length of a year. So what did they do with those last 5 or so days? They had a giant party in the middle of winter to celebrate life and coax the gods into charging up the universe again. Today this ancient ritual goes by the name of "Christmas."
     
  3. Quantrill

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    Sorry, the origin of the Zodiac is God. And it's purpose wasn't to construct a calender.

    Quantrill
     
  4. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Says Quantrill without any proof.
     
  5. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Actually Maynard created the Zodiac incase you didn't know...
     
  6. Quantrill

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    No, I do know. It was God.

    Quantrill
     
  7. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Was that the same God that created fake breasts? I like that God. And corndogs!
     
  8. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    No, it was Maynard because I say so.

    Here is a picture of him creating the Zodiac,
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  9. Quantrill

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    Sorry. Only God created the Zodiac.

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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    But thats a picture of Maynard creating the Zodiac. Since I have photographic evidence my assertion trumps yours.
     
  11. Quantrill

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    Your photograph means nothing. Trumps nothing. Only God created the Zodiac.

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  12. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Says he who does not provide evidence. I have proof, what do you have?
     
  13. rstones199

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    Free Will

    Notice the word 'choose'...Its the bold worded with RED letters.

    This is not frewill:

    I have no choice is this matter, hence, there is no free will involved.


    I will show you some personal examples of freewill.

    I woke up this morning. I had a choice, I could deceive my employer and call in sick or I could go into work and earn my money. I choose to stop at 7-11 and get a fountain drink this morning. I choose not to buy pack of cigarettes, beer or anything that I deemed as harmful to myself. I just got back from the gym. I CHOOSE to go to the gym. I was faced with various avenues I could go today, and as I navigate through the day, I make CHOOSES on what to do. That is free will.

    There is not a situation that you can be in that you do not have a choice. OK, If you are on Death Row and strapped to the electric chair and are about to get fried, you don’t have a choice, but you did have a choice at one time and that wrong choice led you to the chair. Baring that extreme example, almost ALL situations, you will have a choice in.

    My best friend died about 10 years ago. He was a Marine back in Nam. When his number came up in the draft, he still had freewill. He could have went to Canada and dodged the draft, the could have just been drafted into the Army. But he CHOOSE to go into the Marine Corps. He choose a course action from among various alternatives. THAT IS FREE WILL.

    Quantrill I'll be brutally honest here. I find it humorous to go back in forth with you. Why? Because quit frankly, you are just another one of 'gods' non-thinking sheep. You can never think deeper into a subject. Frankly I really it shouldn't waste my time with sheep like you.

    But you did strike a chord with me on this one. You haven't a clue as too what freewill is. Freewill isn't about making choices that you want per se, if it was, I would be a billionaire and owning my favorite baseball team. Its about making choices in life when you are faced with life's circumstances you find yourself in.

    Come back when you get a grip on what free will is.
     
  14. lizarddust

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    LOL,,,only in Portugal? What about in neighbouring Spain, a devout Catholic country. Were the Spaniards blind to this? Of does a different sun set/rise in Portugal?

    Maybe the wine in Portugal is a tad stronger than in Spain!
     
  15. Distraff

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    You better watch out
    You better not cry
    Better not pout
    I'm telling you why
    God is coming to town

    He's making a list,
    And checking it twice;
    Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice.
    God is coming to town

    He sees you when you're sleeping
    He knows when you're awake
    He knows if you've been bad or good
    So be good for goodness sake!
     
  16. Quantrill

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    So, you don't do as you please. Which is what you said. Remember? God does do as He pleases. Thus you are not like God, as you first claimed. Remember?

    And, all you describe is a 'will'. Not free will. Man does not have free will. He has a will.

    'Will' is about choices one makes when faced with life's circumstances. And these circumstances force you to make a decision. Thus your will is not free. Its a will, but not free. It can't change the circumstances. It can only decide between them.

    Quantrill
     
  17. Quantrill

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    Your picture is no evidence. Your statement is no evidence. How old are they?

    Quantrill
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's just rude and uncalled for. Didn't you recently chastise me for what you termed "offensive?" There was nothing rude or inappropriate in the post you quoted and yet you mock it. To me, that is low class and obviously hypocritical. For shame.
     
  19. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry you feel that way. I was merely making the point that making unproven remarks about religion and non-believers is comparable to making unproven remarks about Santa Clause. Instead of being offended by my arguments, why don't you respond to them?

    What is really offensive is when believers make strawman arguments about why we don't believe. We don't believe because we are too busy, or we are afraid of God, or because we don't care, but because there is no evidence. We don't believe because of reason and evidence. It is just insulting to say otherwise. Here are a few quotes to clarify why I don't believe.

    It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.
    -William Kingdon Clifford

    Extrordinary Claims require extrordinary evidence.
    -Carl Sagan

    That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
    -Christopher hitchens

    You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.
    -Source unknown
     
  20. Quantrill

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    Clifford is wrong. Its not wrong at all.

    Sagan is wrong. The claim of Jesus Christ, and the believers belief, proves it.

    Hitchens is right.

    Source unknown is right.

    Quantrill
     
  21. Distraff

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    Thanks for your feelings on the subject.
     

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