Homosexual marriage

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Actually, perhaps to many people's surprise, the United States is really 50 sovereign States united by a contract called the US Constitution.

    Those that don't believe this to be a fact should read Article V of the US Constitution and then consider the following.

    The States can at anytime call for a Constitutional Convention. The federal government cannot prohibit this convention. The States at that convention can call for the abolition of the US Constitution and with 3/4ths of the States agreeing the United States government would be abolished. Each of the States would then be a sovereign independent country governed by their own State Constitution. Not likely to happen but certainly authorized within the US Constitution itself.

    Of course it would present some pragmatic problems. Who gets the gold in Ft Knox for example and who's going to take possession of the US nuclear weapons and military hardware. Certainly those problems could be resolved but would need to be addressed. One thing that would happen is that the entire US debt obligation would become worthless promissory notes as I doubt that any State would honor an obligation to redeem the notes.

    As for "God" he/she isn't even a US citizen so obviously the United States isn't really a nation under god as some suggest. This national "motto" was created by stupid people without any consideration for reality. We are currently united (sovereign) states under the US Constitution.

    Yes, Rick Perry's Texas would have the highest execution rate based upon population of any nation in the world. It is somewhat ironic that capital punishment violates the ideals established in the Declaration of Independence but we still allow it. Of course for almost 100 years we allowed slavery which also violated those same ideals and today in most States we prohibit same-sex that also violate those ideals as well.
     
  2. dixiehunter

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    It is realy something how Queers and Lezbos can cause so much trouble.

    They know they are hated and unwanted in a normal society, but yet throw themselves in it demanding acceptance as part of the norm. And being arrogant about it.
    They are not normal
    Recent times, they have been getting the support and exposure from the Liberal Media. And it is getting out of control.
    Soon there will be no tolorating of these annoying sick pest.

    The right new politics will make certain of that.

    Their closets are waiting.

    FACT.
     
  3. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    What is sad that in America today there are so many religious bigots that oppose the ideals upon which America was founded which would include equal protection and due process of the law for all People.

    Fortunately we have the US Supreme Court that is going to rule on the issue of gay marriage eventually and, as in the case of Loving v Virginia where bigots had discriminatory laws that denied equal protection and due process of the law, the Supreme Court is going to rule that marriage is a Right for all individuals and the prohibitions against same-sex marriage which deny them equal protection and due process of the law are unconstitutional.

    Of course the bigots will whine and complain because the Supreme Court actually enforces the US Constitution. Perhaps the bigots need to be sent to their closet until the learn to respect the Rights of others.
     
  4. Yukon

    Yukon Banned

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    Be careful DixieHunter that;s what the rght-wing, nut jobs used to say about the negro people who simply wanted to be treated the same as white people.

    I demand that you withdraw this hate-filled, bigotted, and demeaning post. It is unworthy of civilized persons.

     
  5. rstones199

    rstones199 Well-Known Member

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    NOTE: this was taken from another thread:

     
  6. Yukon

    Yukon Banned

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    Please dont reference the Catholic Church with homosexual opposition. This is an institution that is led by an ex-Nazi and is littered with thousands of homosexual Priests and Lesbian Nuns.
     
  7. Yukon

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    Please dont reference the Catholic Church with homosexual opposition. This is an institution that is led by an ex-Nazi and is littered with thousands of homosexual Priests and Lesbian Nuns.
     
  8. Jiyuu-Freedom

    Jiyuu-Freedom Keep the peace Past Donor

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    All I can think about is what I saw Obama comment on about China's policy to allow one child per family.

    If that is the case, those that are willing to have their children full term and adopting them out would reduce the amount of abortions, which I am not totally against.

    Homosexuals have the right to marry and have children. We have to have them available for the folks that cannot procreate.

    Adopting children from other countries is an alternative but it can be timely and costly.

    If we allow homosexual marraige and the states vote for it, our President shouldn't even entertain the idea of one child per family.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which God's command do you follow ?
     
  10. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    WOW that is some remark...May God forgive ya.

    But Hey!!, tell me Ex-Priest...What did you do that the Catholic Church gave you the iron boot.?

    Do you mind telling us the truth.?
    (Remember now - God knows the truth).
     
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    How about "Judge not lest ye be judged"..
     
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    It will definitely come down to a SCOTUS decision. There is no other way. The entire nation needs to have the same laws overseeing same sex marriage.
     
  13. saintmichaeldefendthem

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    The most misunderstood, misquoted verse in the Bible, methinks.
     
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    Judge not and you shall not be judged It's in your book. So guess what If there were a hell you would be at the doorway as well as 99% of the rest of your little Christian buddies. You're the most judgmental people on the planet.
     
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    I left the Priesthood when I learned of the coverup by the Pope of criminal homosexual activities committed by Priests. The first revelation was in Canada at Mount Cashel orphanage. The cancer then spread to Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg and then into the USA.
     
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    Would you please elaborate. I'm certain I understand it correctly.
     
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    Let's look at the whole passage in Luke 6:

    37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
    38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”
    39 And He spoke a parable to them: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?
    40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.
    41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye?
    42 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

    What this isn't is a prohibition against critical thought or decrying evil in the world. It's not a gag order against condemning immoral actions and lifestyles. What it is, when you read it within the context of Christ's entire teaching, is a reminder that we are all sinners in need of God's grace. Those redeemed by the blood of Christ ought to remember the wretch they were before grace intervened. We are salt and light on this earth, bringing the light of Christ into the darkness. "Judge not" is not meant to stifle that light, but rather to keep us mindful that we are the saved walking among the unsaved, but we did not save ourselves.

    As Peter reminds us:

    9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
    10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1Pet 2 NKJV)

    Particularly in regards to the OP subject at hand, homosexuality is not unlike any other mortal sin in its capacity to separate us from the love of God eternally. I may not look down on the homosexual because I myself have committed mortal sin, and but for the grace of God, would be condemned eternally for it. I can, however, point out the sinfulness of that lifestyle and call the sinner to repentence. This isn't judgement. This isn't condemnation. This does not violate the teachings of Christ, it illustrates it.
     
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    Any two confussed dim-wits can call each other Husband and Husband, or Wife and Wife.

    But, in the eyes of the Lord thy God, it's not reconized as a marriage, and condemed by the Almighty.
    Homosexuality alone is condemed by God.
    So, they can go ahead and defy the creator. I could care less, or give a rosters fart.

    In my part of the world, they just better not flaunt that sinfull arrogance around me or in public. They will be confronted.

    FACT.
     
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    Either you're lying about being a priest or you just weren't a very good one. I have a rule to accept at face value anything people claim about their personal lives on this forum because accusing one another of lying about personal information they share is an exercise in attrition. So I'm assuming that you really were a priest. With that said, I'm more inclined to believe that you failed at it, or were defrocked, or fell into scandal. You're certainly ignorant of the sex abuse scandals and what really happened because the Pope had nothing to do with the coverups, nor does the Pope control the inner workings of other diocese, nor does the Pope exercise iron fisted control over the entire Catholic Church as so many are fond of believing.

    Not only do you not sound like a priest, you don't even sound Catholic and don't even have a fundamental understanding of how the hierarchy of the Catholic Church works. You sound like an ignorant outsider. No wonder you're no longer in the priesthood. You sucked at being a priest.
     
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    Because you don't like it. Because it related to your antisocial behavior so you don't like it. I see through the phoney facade of a Christian you put on. You sound as if you are even more a fake as the rest of them.
     
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    in order for your statement to be a fact, you'll first need to prove the existence of a god.

    this is the third time I've challenged you to do so, and the third time you've run away.
     
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    Since the very beginning man has documented lifes expieriance, and progress all as written in the Holy Bible........
    Proove there is no God.
     
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    fourth dodge.

    in order for your statements to be a "fact" as you proclaimed, you must first prove the existence of a god.
    mans documented experiences long predate the bible.


    try harder this time.
     
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    Prove the date ANY of the bible was written or by whom it was written.
     
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    what a stupid post.

    Red, Yellow, Black and White; four colors of mankindl the four horseman................ the judges.

    No one more about equality than me.

    I just hate liars and what lies do to people. You are a victim!

    i dont hate jews, i hate the creation of a religious state on american taxpayers money for the creation of a 1.6 million soul concentration camp (gaza) and the hypocracy of the bigots of zionism.

    I hate the concept that TEACHING and making it LAW that same sex copulation is NATURAL or NORMAL, when it aint. Each must procreate to live into the next generation, just like the chance their parents gave them and know it.

    The stupidity is people lying to other and being allowed too. People like you are stoned cold irresponsible bigots.



    it dont take brilliance to identify idiots


    anyone within ANY color, creed, race and culture of mankind is equally capable of identifying an idiot lying sob, that cant get their head out of their behind, just by maintaining integrity with themselves

    but within this earth, so many have been allowed to speak what aint true and at this jucture few are willing to step up and let the true kick the pants out of the idiot liars


    BUT THAT"S ALL ABOUT TO CHANGE!


    Soon we all can eat people like you!
     
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