Speaking the TRUTH gets you labeled a "racist".

Yes, and those that continue to call them "illegal" are just showing their ignorance, and that they have other agendas.

 

You are right. I don't know what does copmeste for ligical discussion. But it probably isn't shouting

 

Yes, I had better get it right, or you just might misunderstand my post:


Shouting doesn't compensate for logical discussion.

Happy now?

 

The only agenda I have is to stop people bypassing the normal migration system, by barging and shoving their way into this country, like bulliies in a school yard, so they can suck off the endless welfare teat, so generously provided by the Aussie taxpayer.

Why is that too much to ask of these welfare shoppers?

 

On the refugee, assylum seeker, or call them what you may, leagal points asside. The reality is that there are potentially, billions of people within reach of Australia who have every reason to seek a better life. This problem has the potential to escalate to a brutally obscene level, if it`s let to get out of control.

Australia hasn`t the capacity to even make a small impression on the human misery that surrounds us, atm, just a few of the wealthier and more fortunate are getting through. How many of the deaths at sea do we really hear about? Not good enough, this has to stop.

 

Boat people seeking asylum are not "bypassing the normal migration system".

"Australia's Immigration Program has two components:

•Migration Program for skilled and family migrants
•Humanitarian Program for refugees and others in refugee-like situations"

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

And:

"Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." From Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Thus, the facts I've shown above coupled with The 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees makes coming to Australia by boat (to seek asylum) a legal part of the "normal migration system".

So, in that case, who exactly are these people that you claim are "bypassing the normal migration system"?.

Moreover, how do you plan to stop them?

 

By barging into Australia they are bullies and nothing more. And every Aussie knows it.

Let them come through the normal, proper channels and behave like proper human beings, not like thieves snatching the right of others, patiently waiting their turn in some dismal refugee camp, just so they can enter the Promised Land of Endless Welfare.

We are not all suckers in this country!

 

They're not "patiently waiting", they're waiting because they have no choice. If anyone had $10k they would not sit and rot in a refugee camp for x years when there is an alternative, aka people smugglers.

 

And being (morally) coerced by the Thought Police to comply with an outdated agreement that belongs to an ancient age, The 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.

Haven't our pollies realised that this is 2011 and not 1955, and the world has changed over the last sixty years? No wonder these welfare chasers are coming here in droves!

People should have watched a program on SBS last night about the hordes of Africans trying to barge and shove their way into Europe, so they can enter the UK. And guess what was their main topic of conversation(apart from finding a way into the UK,of course}? Yes you guessed it, their welfare entitlements once they gained entry. Now isn't that a surprise.

The UK must be a greater (welfare) sucker than OZ!

 

My previous post clearly demonstrates that they are coming through the "normal, proper channels".

 

The only proper channel is through the Migration offices overseas. Just ask any person from, say the UK, who tries to enter OZ without going through the proper channels? Any other 'channel' is a sham, and you, and everyone else l know it.

 

You are, once again, 100% incorrect.

"Australia's Immigration Program has two components:

•Migration Program for skilled and family migrants
•Humanitarian Program for refugees and others in refugee-like situations"

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

That's the law, not my opinion.

If you would like to tell the Australian Government's Department of Immigration and Citizenship that they are wrong, go ahead.

Please get back to me and let me know what they said.

 

Go back to you? You have got to be kidding. A person who supports unbridled, unchecked entrants into this country, without any thought of the consequences and the endless drain on our welfare system by people who are unlikely, if ever, to put much back in return. Why do you continually support this type of person?

Lets kick out these poeple who have unashamedly come barging through our leaky shores to snatch and take whatever they can in endless welfare benefits. And you support this welfare theft do you? And let's discard this ancient, archaic UN treaty ASAP, and, once again, exert our sovereignty. Did our soldiers fight in two world wars so we could relinquish our sovereignty so meekly?

This misnamed, obscure treaty is well past its use by date. Anyone can see that.

 

You are, once again, 100% incorrect.

The asylum seekers are checked and processed by the Department of Immigration.

All claims for protection are assessed on an individual basis against the criteria contained in the Refugees Convention, and in accordance with Australian legislation, case law and up-to-date information on conditions in the applicant's country of origin.

In the last 3 years 94% of asylum seeker applications have been granted refugee status.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

Once again, you are 100% incorrect.

There is no theft involved.

It's all 100% legal, and I have no problem with my taxes being used in this manner.

You really need to stop posting lies.

 

can they not go to a nearby country where we do have an embassy ?

I agree why would you risk your life to get here that way.

we can feed clothe and house them. i feel this should be short term tho. coming to this country they should contribute by learning to provide those things for themselves.

i dont gamble much. im a tight arse

 

No, the reason they risk their lives to get here that way is because people can spend 10 years + (or their whole lives) waiting in refugee camps for possible relocation, often living in pretty bad conditions. What would you do? There's nothing 'noble' about it, of course if they had $10k they could find a way to apply to the UNHCR but why would they want to do that? The absolute best chance you have of getting refugee status in Australia is if you get in a boat and make it into our territorial waters. That's why they do it, no other reason. Cannot blame them for doing it, I just think it's wrong that we encourage it.

 

Of course it's welfare theft. They come barging into OZ,unnvited, and immediatley demand endless welfare, having made no contribution to our welfare system. And you are saying that's' not unbridled theft. You must be kidding!

 

And here's another boatload of welfare sucking tourists, ready and willing to snatch all they can from our generouus welfare system, so obligingly provided by the 'ripped off' Aussie taxpayer. When will we ever learn and discard this outdated, nonsensical UN, laugingly called a treaty, that is now sixty years old?


"Eleventh asylum boat arrives undetected

by: Paige Taylor
From:The Australian
November 09, 201112:00AM






Another asylum boat, carrying women and children, has reached the waters off Christmas Island undetected, the 11th vessel to arrive in Australian waters since the High Court ruled the proposed people swap with Malaysia invalid.

Last night, Customs officials suspected the boat had come from Indonesia, The Australian has been told, but it was unclear whether it had left from the west coast of Java, where an asylum boat sank with deadly consequences last Tuesday."

Let's see our 'Dad's Navy' intercept them once again. It's a pity it's not engaged in really protecting our shores from these invaders.

 

I must say, I've never seen such a severe case of xenophobia.

 

You consider human rights an outdated concept, do you?

"Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Article 14 - The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/history.shtml

And protection for refugees? Outdated, according to you?

"Grounded in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of human rights
1948, which recognizes the right of persons to seek asylum from persecution
in other countries, the United Nations Convention relating to the Status of
Refugees, adopted in 1951, is the centrepiece of international refugee protection today."

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

 

I must say, I have seen or meet anyone, absolutely no one, with such total disregard (and respect)of our right to protect our sovereignty, and the integrity of our welfare system.

 

Huh?!?! Where did you get the idea that you have a "right" to " protect our sovereignty, and the integrity of our welfare system"

And why do you think these things need "protecting"?!?!

Uncle is right - I've never seen such a severe case of xenophobia either.

 

Diligent most probably got the idea from the same place you got the idea that these people have a right to gate crash our country.

 

And why shoudn't we have the right to protect our sovereignty and the integrity of our welfare system. Maybe you have never made a contribution towards it.

I doubt that you understand the meaning of soveriegnty, anymore than 'Uncle' does.But just to help your education on this matter, here is the definition from Wilkepedia:

'Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area'.

So you can easily see how we have given away this sovereignty by allowing anyone to barge through our shores by boat unimpeded. And worse, we encourage them by offering them endless welfare. Now silly and reckless is that!