Why Are There No Israelis In This Forum?

Lol. Because the founding of a state by individuals on a land that does not belong to them is all fine and dandy. How is it a great and holy sin to Islam? You really are an idiot.

It certainly hasn't. Israel is losing support around the world and the Arab population growth rate is higher than that of Israelis. Zionism will ultimately fail, and theirs nothing that a ignorant right-wing nut-job like you can do about it.

 

You are absolutely right of course, they conveniently avoid any mentioning of both 1948 and 1973 wars, the only desperate tactic that's available to them is to try to demonize Israel by pinning the 1967 war on them just because they fired the first shot.

Needless to say this is just as absurd and illogical as demanding that a cop who sees someone with a suicide belt board a bus in Jerusalem, to not shoot him on the spot but instead wait for him to explode and read the Miranda rights to what's left of him.

 

The arabs owned about 45% of the land, they got 45% of the land during the partition. Moreover individual arab owners who ended up on the Israeli side of the partition and chose to become loyal Israeli citizens retained their property, their land and all other posessions. You have no leg to stand on.

 

Usually? Bigoted against arabs much?

I take that means youve no intention of actually asking them what they think. Too bad, so sad.

Wrong. I disputed that their constant posting on this subject makes them anti-semites as you claim.
Youre just pro-israel? Thatll be your sig is anti-islam re palestinians. Youre a bit more than just pro-israel - thats the proof.

Youve said theyre jew haters, anti- semites etc because they criticise israel too many times for your liking.

Why a straw man? its just an example. Lets see you take it on in serious debate.

On the issue though. Youll find that no peace etc etc was just after the 67 invasions, and came in response to israel refusal to leave east jerusalem. The later Jarring initiative that israel refused proves it wasnt interested in peace before land.

 

My signature is not anti-Islam, it states the facts and it's anti-one state solution. If the arabs want to have Islam and sharia law in all 23 arab states I could not care less. I just don't think it's realistic to expect the jews to accept a minority status, especially in a religious, sharia-based country.

Nice try again but you already tried that earlier in this thread. They are obsessed with Israel, bash (not criticize) Israel exclusively, Israel can do no right in their eyes, Israel's enemies can do no wrong, their objective is not a constructive criticism of Israel to make it better but demonization, deligitimization and eventual elimination of Israel.

You claimed (baselessly) I was not willing to engage in a debate, now how about showing a little intellectual honesty and integrity and admitting that I am right about their goals. You can say that, seriously it's OK, everyone knows.

 

Bo-Rat , its a two way street. , The accussation you're making against "THey/them " are , as others see it, EXACTLY
that of Zionists/Israelis/Hasbarists/propagandists , fundamemntalists/settlers/colonists Jews etc. towards the Palestinians .

i.e. - To demonize/deligitimize and to eliminate / obstruct / make the establishment of a viable /contigeous Independent Palestinian state impossible.

IMO - ISRAELI + sincere positive CONTRUCTIVE Support from diaspora Jewry for an independent viable Palestinian state , would do a great deal in lessening opposition/ criticsm of Israeli policies. Dont you agree ?



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Come off it. No one has ever expected that israelis even in a one state solution would ever be expected to accept sharia law in that one state solution. Rather way back in 1948 at the UN, those nations not under super power influence that favoured a one state favoured a secular democracy for all. Jews would have a vote under a secular constitution just as anyone else would.

Even if Jews were a minority theyd only be a sliver minority and theres still no reason for them to accept sharia law, and nor do most palestinians think so or have any reason to expect them to nor have they ever argued such. The laws they proclaim are for their state. A state involving large numbers of israelis would be far far different.

Oh really Borat its you thats playing the little game here. Ill explain how you do it;

You tell us.....Its not that theyre criticising, its that theyre 'obsessing' or 'bashing'.. Thats a pure deception on your part - youve introduced a vague term (how does one actually judge between consistent criticism, obsessing or bashing - by your standards?) that no one can really say against because, what exactly is it were talking about and how do we quantify this?, having no firm ground on which to say this criticism is or is not unreasonable bashing or obsessing you expect that your proclamation can carry the day.

Youre deceptive and wrong on a number of points - they dont say israel does nothing right, nor does its enemies do nothing wrong. Thats a flat out direct refutation of your accusation.

Moreover, even a policy of a one state solution is not an anti-semitic proposition. It was even supported in israel for a time in the years after 1948..yes thats right...by israelis.

By the way, do you think these israelis are anti-semites? http://zochrot.org/en/menu/זוכרות/מי-אנחנו

Thats the integrity and honesty you asked for. Now show a bit yourself and admit that the only real anti-semitic arguments are those blood libels against jews (we know what they are), and world conspiracy stuff like the protocols or jewish international banking.
All this stuff about Moon or about 'self hating' jews (as so many of the deceptive pro-israelis argue) is actually far more anti-semitic as it deliberatly suppresses the free debate that is at the heart of best things about the jewish people. Its about time you recognised that and had the courage to simply take on people such as Moon's arguments rather than labelling him as anti-jewish.

 

I hope you understand that you are ignoring 2,000 years of Jewish history of being a minority, you are ignoring the fact that this 'co-existence' failed in Yugoslavia, the USSR, Sudan even quiet Czechoslovakia, that Egyptian Christians are terrified... You are ignoring the fact that almost a million jews who did absolutely nothing wrong were subjected to pogroms, persecutions, intimidation and eventually expelled from arab states between 1948 and 1975...You are ignoring facts and substituting them with wishful thinking. You can of course be cavalier about it in Glasgow, if you are wrong you will say 'Oops', my bad and down a few shots of scotch whiskey to forget all about it, the jews will pay with their blood once again.

Nothing vague about it: obsession: a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling;
Starting dozens of threads and dozens (if not hundreds) of comments daily on almost exclusively one topic (Israel) is a classic case of obsession.

LOL show me an example of moon or moonbats having anything positive at all to say about Israel.

LOL, not really, I don't think you understand, intellectual integrity and honesty is when you critically reevaluate your views and stereotypes, not when you recite them.

 

As part of a two way street sure why not? Are we going to see sincere positive CONSTRUCTIVE Support from the arab/muslim world for an independent viable Jewish state? Did not happen in 1948, has not happened since, personally I don't hold my breath. But if it ever happens, then yes you are right and equal push to create an Independent viable Palestinian state will be absolutely warranted.

 

In my experience (in debating three Israelis) they either run away once a good argument is presented or are so vitriolic and dedicated to ad hominem - like calling everything antisemitic - they end up getting banned. For example the guy above me has yet to reply to my lenghy rebuttal of his argument, for rather obvious reasons: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...eriments-final-stage-nuke-43.html#post4736320

 

The guy above you has been banned from that discussion (god knows why) and yeah, lengthy rebuttals are a pain in the neck, no one has time or patience to read them, let alone respond to usually the same old tired endless pile of cr&p, bogus grievances, distorted facts, misinterpretation of laws, cherry-picked events etc that have been rebutted hundreds of times before. It's not like you are coming up with anything different from what the anti-israel moonbats have posted 1000 times before.

Try to make your posts short, concise, clear and most of all factual if you expect a response. Running off your mouth for pages may make you feel smart and eloquent, to your readers you look boring, silly and self-absorbed. So does your self-delusional signature btw.

It's the end of the lesson.

 

Only if you get off the hard drugs...

Rev A

 

Don't go for them - value Mexican and other life, and might end up pro-Nazi, like ....well, nobody on here, of course!

 

I gave four or so links - all with quotes. You require length if you want fact, hence your comments are short and sharp, and almost ways incorrect.

Not really. I got three rep points form that comment.

How is it self-delusional?

Says the guy who got banned

I recommend you limit your arguments to purely facts and not ad hominem as you did in the other thread - this may have spared you being banned if you had followed it, just a thought. You should have got a PM explaining why you were banned or you cna request an explanation.

 

What is your source for that? Given this land would have been bought through the British, the land being Palestinian, this seems rather disengenuis.

Your argument seems shallow as per usual. Why was there extensive ethnic cleansing in the newly acquired territory if it was all "Israeli"?

 

Bo-Rat , who appointed you to speak for other readers ?

 

I hope your understand youre ignoring the 2000 years of successful jewish integrations across europe. Particularly in the last few centuries where theve been so prominent in the UK for example.
Indeed so many innocent jews were this and that be it imprisoned executed and a list of various other things. I hope you recognise that the same went for palestinians in palestine too. Made refugees in their own land, for doing absolutely nothing.

Im not cavalier about it. Its just that the proposition isnt anti semitic and its wrong both morally and factually for you to accuse people of that. Its a normal idea held by many jewish people themselves. Plus the arabs have just as much to fear from you as you from they as the history proves in palestine.

Moreover, israeli jews have the backing of the world in palestine.

Indeed. So who is to say its disturbing? You? Me? Your next door neighbour? Vague by any standard.

Moreover you charge that this means they must be anti-semitic rather than simply pro-palestinian. Thats immoral of you.

Go on ask them. The amount of times theyve said anything positive about israel is probably the exact same amount that youve said something positive about palestine, the west bank and gaza. What number is it? Once? Twice?

Perhaps you could confound us all by saying something positive about palestinian society? Ill guess not.

Does that make you a bigot in the same but opposite way they are according to you? Lemme guess youre still ok by anyone's book. But do tell us.

Oh please. Heres another clear example of the fraud you foist on us readers here;

You claim that Moon & Marlowe are too critical of israelis yes? And so looking at the posts here we see that our Moon's avatar is a palestinian flag. So far so pro-palestinian.

And what is yours? A depiction of a heroic israeli solider putting himself in front of a baby's pram while lo and behold the palestinian puts the baby pram before himself.

And yet youre the one going around claiming that Moon's attacks are too much and therefore prove not just anti-zionism but anti-semitism.

 

Bo-Rat , as long as you refuse to read anything NEW , anything not in accordance with Zionist dogma - you'll remain ill-informed - closed minded .

Could it be that yr knowledge is caught in a 1948 Time Lock ?

Here let me educate you :
The Arab League members unanimously endorsed the peace initiative on March 27.[11] It consists of a comprehensive proposal to end the entire Arab–Israeli conflict.[2] It provides in a relevant part:

(a) Complete withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the 4 June 1967 line and the territories still occupied in southern Lebanon; (b) Attain a just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees to be agreed upon in accordance with the UN General Assembly Resolution No 194. (c) Accept the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since 4 June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital. In return the Arab states will do the following: (a) Consider the Arab–Israeli conflict over, sign a peace agreement with Israel, and achieve peace for all states in the region; (b) Establish normal relations with Israel within the framework of this comprehensive peace.[2]

READ AND LEARN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative
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Although a number of Israeli officials have responded to the Initiative with both support and criticism, the Israeli government has swiftly rejected the initiative, saying it was a "non-starter".[[/B]




Bo_Rat , since 1948 there's been many PEACE PROPOSALS - as far as I can tell ALL were INITIATED BY either third parties or Arabs , can you tell me of any singLe PEACE PROPOSAL INITIATED BY ISRAEL ?

Is'nt it true that on every occassion Israel had to dragged or bullied by US to any peace talks . ?


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You mean like unleashing thousands of Hamas to get one man, instead of hanging all the Hamas by the neck until dead and then demanding their one guy get released or else ten days of carpet bombing, and then demanding their one guy get released or else ten days of carpet bombing, and then...?

 

Please no death related fantasies here. Israel is incapable of that behaviour. Not that it cant conceive it. But Israel depends on world support much like others do.

Not even Russia does that sort of thing in Chechnya.

 

Why would an Israeli try to argue with neo nazi scum here? its the same as a black going to a white pride forum with the aim of having a proper discussion

 

Irrelevant (even if that is true). It was Arab/Palestinian land before British interference and Zionist immigration. The land belongs to Arabs, not European Zionists. Ben-Gurion agrees:

 

I agree, why would anyone want to waste time with an individual such as yourself?

Oh dear, I just did.

 

I love that concept: "arab" land. As if once it was under arab control - which it wasn't, it was never sovereign, and under Turkish/Ottoman control - NOT arab - it can never, ever be sovereign under another group.

With that kind of thinking, one would expect the rest of the world to deport all arab muslims, since once they achieve majority status and "take over" a neighborhood - its "theirs" and no longer part of the host country.

Your post is laughable nonsense.

 

I'm glad you do.

Of course it was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Middle_Ages

It was indeed under Ottoman rule, but the inhabitants were Arab/Palestinian. From a nationalistic point of view, the land belongs to the Arabs/Palestinians. As mentioned above, Ben-Gurion agrees with me.

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