Does Obama want ALL the jobs to be Government jobs?

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  1. 4Horsemen

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    Is this Barack's idea of "creating jobs"??


    How can America work if there is no Private Sector?


    Liberals please make me understand your glee with this approach to job creation?
     
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    Actually Obama has created far more privat sector jobs than public. Infact public workers have declined since Obama took office.
     
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    Supported stats please? For some reason I don't believe that. Unemployment in the privae sector is not going down. it's going up
     
  4. Iron River

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    let me remind you that there are very few government "JOBS"; in spite of the glut of federal government employees...

    Please list the jobs that Obama created? Leave out the bankruptcy lawyers and judges who are trying to dissolve one "Green company" after the other. Fischer will be next.

    Abbreviate so that you don't fill the site's band width.

    So the 200,000 new people that Obama has hired so far reduced the number of government employees?
     
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    Private sector job growth under Bush and Obama, from the BLS data. Each bar is one month, with Dec. 2011 being the last bar.


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    Conservatives hate that graph, since it so clearly illustrates the catastrophe of Bush, the way Obama pulled us out of Bush's depression, and the solid (though not spectacular) private sector job creation record of Obama.
     
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    Classic conservative argument: "I don't believe" that stated fact... Here are some facts... Obama has created more private sector jobs than Bush did. There are fewer gov't jobs now under Obama. He has also have increased military spending AND lowered taxes. BAM!!!

    Don't let FACTS get in the way of how you "feel" about the world!!!!
     
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    This is just like the "Obama has raised taxes on everyone" meme that has been perpetuated by the right-wing media. It's just simply not true.

    Except for a one-time spike due to the census, public jobs have been vanishing.

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    Compare that with the previous President as well as the Republican-controlled Congress and what do you get?

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    You get what should be the death of a meme. What you will get instead is denial or people just outright ignoring the facts of the matter and pretending that it just ain't true... it just can't be true 'cause Obama is the DEVIL!!!
     
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    Reacting to your own inventions is rather foolish, don't you think?
     
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    You should at least UNDERSTAND or do some RESEARCH on a topic before you start a new thread. Thanks!
     
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    No.

    ...........
     
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    Especially since The President has reduced the size of Government since he has been in office.

    I think some of these guys are watching too much FoxNews for their information. :mrgreen:
     
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    From the BLS, http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

    Total private sector jobs 01/2009, 109,084,000
    Total private sector jobs 01/2012, 108,403,000

    Difference, minus 681,000

    Total private sector jobs 01/2001, 109,680,000
    Total private sector jobs 01/2009, 109,084,000

    Difference, minus 596,000. However at its peak in 07/2007, 116,416,000, Bush had increased private sector jobs by 6,736,000.

    Democrats took control of both Houses of Congress in Jan 2007. Private sector jobs peaked in July 2007 and have been falling ever since, until Republicans took control of the House in Jan 2011. Private sector jobs have been increasing since then.
     
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    Another fact distortion.

    Private sector jobs have beein increasing since Jan 2010. 3.6 million since then. And growing.

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    The gullible continue to babble. Some of these guys will believe anything that comes as a DNC talking point.
     
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    Last I heard, a job is a job.

    A large percentage of so-called "private" sector jobs are directly tied to government contracts. For some silly reason, conservatives like to classify these as private sector jobs.

    The private sector would be hopelessly lost without the government (you might be able to get a job in a ceramic mug factory). There would be no more Raytheon, no more Boeing, no more General Dynamics, no more bridge construction, no more state universities and, really, no more Wall Street. Poof!!! The government DRIVES the U.S. economy at all levels.

    So, please, continue with your tired conservative rant.
     
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    As the graph shows, it's absurd to start the clock for Obama on 01/2009, in the midst of the catastrophic unemployment of the Bush depression. Why don't you just do like I do, and present _all_ the data in a simple, easy to read fashion? That way, everyone can just look at it and draw their own conclusions.

    It always shocks me, the contortions these conservatives go through to distort the facts, the contortion in this case being the brazen cherrypicking of endpoints.
     
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    Knowing that the list of liberal excuses is endless, and knowing that b.o. TOOK office in Jan 2009. WHEN do we start holding your failed messiah, responsible?

    Bush was a lame duck from Nov 8 2006 until the end of his presidency. He had no power from that date onward. Do we give him an excuse like you want to give obie? Or do we say Bush was president, just as obie the idiot, was president from 1/2009 onward?

    True leaders have no time or inclination for blaming others. When you try to make excuses for this incompetent fool, b.o., you admit he is a failure.
    Liberals rarely realize all they are revealing by trying to protect an inexperienced clown.

    Bush was bad, obama is a total and complete failure.
     
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    When it comes to Bush, conservatives regularly ignore the first year or two or three claiming it was the Clinont (non) recession. We see it in posts here all the time.

    Yet Obama took office in the midst of the economy heading straight down the tubes but it's fair to hold him responsible for that.

    Double standards. Nothing new.
     
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    When Obama took office, the economy was tanking at a -9% real rate, losing 700,000+ jobs a month, unemployment was skyrocketing upward, and the stock markets were crashing in the worst recession in 80 years. The housing market was destroyed and we were headed straight for a depression.

    But now the economy has been growing steadily for more than two years, the private sector has created jobs every month for more almost two years, stock markets are up almost 100% from their recession lows, and the unemployment rate has fallen from above 10% to 8.3%, and about 3.6 million private sector jobs have been added since Jan 2010.

    Only those invested in failure for political purposes could claim Obama's has been a complete failure.
     
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    Please don't try to explain Math, Science and Logic to a Conservative ...


    It will only give you a Headache. :mrgreen:
     
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    They tend to easily and conveniently forget the last 6 Months of 2008. :mrgreen:
     
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    Nice charts but the bottom line - liberals don't understand the concept - is "How many people that want to work are working?" We can see that there are fewer job available and we also see that the number of people looking for jobs has dropped because Obama is paying people not to work.

    So, Obama was blindsided by the economic trouble we were in? HE didn't know what HE was getting into? Yet HE promised to put the economy back on track - without knowing how bad the problem was? Kind of like when HE promised to spend the stimulus of shovel ready jobs that didn't exist?

    It makes me laugh when the liberal horde wants to compare Bush and Obama on any level. Bush started his presidency with 9/11 to deal with and his team kept our economy from crashing the global economy as many very smart people thought 9/11 would do.

    The mistake Bush made was letting the dems have the subprime mortgage rules so that he could get his war fighting and security agenda through the Senate.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/22/federal-workforce-continues-to-grow-under-obama-budget/

    Since the beginning of the last recession (December 2007) the private sector workforce has shrunk by 6.6% while shedding more than 7.5 million jobs. Over that same time period, the federal government workforce (excluding Census and Postal workers) has grown by 11.7% while adding 230,000 jobs.

    Using the same Bureau of Labor Statistics figures, we found a smaller jump in the federal workforce than Johnson claimed -- a 129,900 gain, or 6 percent -- from January 2009 to October 2011. ThatÂ’s based on preliminary numbers posted as of late November.

    The DC region is poised to add over half a million new jobs over the next decade driven by the expanding federal government. The government is projected to add over 50,000 net new jobs by 2020 with half of those coming by 2012.

    The recent health care reform legislation alone will create over 100 new federal bureaucracies, and the continued expansion of government regulation of financial markets, energy, and other sectors will contribute to job creation as well. History tells us this federal expansion will drive demand for office space, legal and professional services, and federal contracts.


    The liberal horde can deny until they die but even the left wing has to admit that Obama is growing the federal government like never before.
     
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    So what you're saying is "government meddling in the private sector is bad for the economy."
     
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    I know. you are correct. I've tried to apply for one.
     
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    So when it begins to crash again, which will be soon due to Otis' new policies, will you blame Otis for the crash he has NOW put in motion since 2009?

    Obamabots need to plan for Otis' retreat because I doubt you want him in office when his policies kick in. I'm not even sure HE wants to be in office then...lol
     

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