Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

The nation of Palestine meets all of those conditions.

 

One should show people respect and accept them for being who they are instead of endlessly smearing them with unconditional racist hatred on behalf of the Israeli government.

 

Please show us the curent "Palestinian" currency. Sorry Judge, they use the Israeli Shekel!!! No currency, no country. And while we are at it;

•Has economic activity and an organized economy. A country regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money.

Duuaa, looks like your "Palestine" flunks out on all the above.

•Has a transportation system for moving goods and people

The only transportation system "Palestine" has is for moving arms in with which to kill Israelis with.

•Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the country's territory.

The last time I looked Israel held a section of the West Bank.

•Has external recognition. A country has been "voted into the club" by other countries.

Hasn't happened yet.

So, your assertion that "Palestine" has met all requirements is all wet. It's still nothing more than a territory

 

Again, you clearly don't understand the term ' nation ' , even though it's been explained to you via dictionary definition. What's to be done ?

And you want to deny the existence of Palestinians with Israeli citizenship ? That's crazed neoZionist extremist thinking.

http://electronicintifada.net/blog/...ent-shows-concern-palestinian-citizens-israel

 

Malta has the Euro, Bahamas has the dollar....

The hated Semites buy and sell products and are engaged in international trade.

This heavy reliance on Holocaust abuse does not prove your point.

Nothing states that Israel "should have power" over any part of Palestine.

Most of the nations of the world recognize and accept the nation of Palestine.

In order for this argument to be true, you must identify Israel as being an apartheid regime.

 

If I step out of my home and walk down the street and my neighbor hits me I will be on the look out for him the next time I step out. If he should try it again I will without respect kick his *&^%$#@ butt all over the place. If he brings a knife the next time I will bring a gun. If he brings a gun I will be faster than he is and there will be NO RESPECT OFFERED HIM IN ANY WAY. In fact, I will go hunting him. This is the situation that Israel finds it's self in today. The Arabs started killing Jews in 1920 without cause. Again in 1928. Again in 1935. Again in 1947. Again in 1956. Again in 1967. Again in 1973. And starting in 1969 the Arabs set up terrorist camps in Lebanon and targeted the women and children of Israel ever since. So get off your smear and respect kick and look the truth right in the face. Respect is the LAST thing the Arabs terrorist deserve.

 

Blaming and condemning Palestinians for all the evils in the world does not deny who they consider themselves as being or how others view them. Even if one must hate them, they are still Palestinians.

 

I don't reject Israel. Israel has been a nation since 1948. They have their own currancy. They have their own transit system. They have their own economic system. No one controls any of their territory. And Jud, I'm not prejudice in any way. I just refuse to show terrorists any respect. Maybe you want to for reasons of your own but I refuse to. And the Arabs are terrorists and terrorists need nothing but a killing.

 

No one said there weren't Arab citizens in Israel, this is an argument you made to distract from the actual argument at hand, which is that Israel as a 'Jewish Nation' is systematically favorable to Jews over other citizens. Having a minority doesn't stop you from being discriminatory.

Well apparently you ignored 1947. The UN Partition Plan or General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) laid out the territories for a Jewish and an Arab state. If you deny Palestine exists then you also have to deny Israel's existence.

 

Let's see, your so called "Palestinians" attacked the country of Israel since 1948. When Jodan took them in in 1967 they started fighting the Jordanians in 1968-70 until they were kicked out of Jordan in Sept. of 1970. Then a large number of them went to Lebanon and in 1975 they started the fighting there. Oh, what peace loving Arabs you tout. I view them for what they are and that's nothing but b a bunch of terrorist that would reather see their children killed than recognize Israel's right to exist. You seem to forget they were sending their children to blow up Israeli markets and busess and getting paid $25,000 for each child they sent. Yes, Judge, that's the price of a home on the West Bank. So you started sniveling and crying when Israel started taking the profit out of it and bull dozing those homes bought with the blood money.

 

You don't reject Israel and Hamas does not reject Palestine. Does it make you feel better that Hamas agrees with your position on the matter? If you don't "show terrorists any respect", then why are you showing strong respect for the extremes on either side? To not "show respect", you would have to make a greater effort to distance yourself from their position.

 

On the topic of identity, If Israelis and Palestinians are for or against peace, is irrelevant. How they are blamed is irrelevant. how they are innocent or guilty is irrelevant. What is relevant is that two groups of people are identified as being.

 

Considering I was a year old in 1947 I really don't think I was old enough to pay any attention to what was going on in the world, do you??? I said I have been WATCHING what's been going on over there since 1956, and asked the question, "How long have you been WATCHING"?? Answer that question, please.
Israel decided to become a nation. The Arabs decision was to kill Jews instead of becoming a nation.


No, stating that over 20% of the population of Israel is not to distract but to inform and to kick the idea that Israel is systematically favorable to Jews over other citizens. A citizen is a citizen no matter what the race, unlike what we did here to the Japanes at the begaining of WW2.

And, NO, I do NOT have to deny the exsitance of Israel because they are a nation recognized by the rest of the world where "Palestine" is still a territory. They have NO economy of their own.

 

Once more, Israel has met all the requirements for Statehood while "Palestine " has met only one of them. Once more;

States and Independent Countries

Let's start with what defines a State or an independent country. An independent State:


•Has space or territory which has internationally recognized boundaries (boundary disputes are OK).
•Has people who live there on an ongoing basis.
•Has economic activity and an organized economy. A country regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money.
•Has the power of social engineering, such as education.
•Has a transportation system for moving goods and people.
•Has a government which provides public services and police power.
•Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the country's territory.
•Has external recognition. A country has been "voted into the club" by other countries


That's like saying, HEY, I passed one weekly test, that should give me an "A" for my whole school career including collage!!!

 

If the Arab world would recognize Israel's right to exist, there wouldn't be any trouble.

Like I said, historically it has been the Arabs doing the attacking. The same way they attacked the U.S. . The Arabs took out two of our buildings, we took out two Arab Governments. They want to attack again as far as I'm concerned we should take out any arab government that shielded and paid for the terrorist. I'm still irritated that we didn't take out the Saudi Government or at lest make them cough up the ones that were sending money and giving aid to the terrorist.

 

It doesn't really matter how old you were, one would think going into a discussion about the Israel-Palestine conflict you would at least know the basics.

I'm 22, how long do you think I've been watching? Either way it's an irrelevant question meant to distract from the fact that you're tal

actually what happened was in 1948 the Israelis annexed Arab land outside of the partition plan.

No they're not, Both the Law of Return and the Jewish National Fund represent discriminatory practices.

Except they do. Otherwise there wouldn't be a $12.59 billion estimate on their GDP. So again, you're being a hypocrite and picking and choosing which parts of the UN Resolution that gives Israel it's right to exist you want to follow.

 

MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!!

You can educate yourself as to who was the aggressor on 1948, 1956, 1966, 1967, 1982, 2009 (amongst others) over on this thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...el-historical-aggressor-not-only-re-iran.html

It will offer you the ideal opportunity to show foundations for your say-so claims above, by refuting the facts presented for many of those quoted dates. For instance, just for a start, you will be able to show us how Arabs assassinated the UN mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte, and how they started killing Jews without cause in 1956.

Try 'facts'. You might get to like them. They taste so much nicer than 'Myths?. Like the following:

At the Nabi Musa riots in Palestine in 1920, which you cite, five Jews were killed. In Operation Cast Lead in 2009, nearly 1400 Arabs were killed.

Or how about facts regarding your statement "The Arabs started killing Jews in 1920 without cause". Perhaps you should read Lord Curzon's statements about the pledge made to Hussein in 1915. You might gain a whole new insight.

 

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Israel is a victim of the covert global jihad that is being waged against all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world and opposing Israel is like shooting yourself in the foot, that is unless you are a Muslim.

 

Klipkap's facts do tend to transform haughty neoZionist braggarts into trolling character assassins in a very short space of time.

 

Let&#8217;s start off with one fact, when is there a state? The generally applied standards for statehood is defined by the Montevideo criteria, although, they have not been applied rigorously by the international community in making determinations about statehood. This is why we have 131 different countries recognizing the State of Palestine, de facto diplomatic recognition from most European states, Palestine is a member state of the League of Arab States, is a member state of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, Palestine is recognized by the International Court of Justice, Palestine has Observer State Status with the United Nations, virtually giving them nearly all rights of a UN member except right to vote, etc. In practice, this criteria you state, has been interpreted very flexibly. States lacking control over their own affairs have even been accepted as states &#8211; for example Ukraine and Belorussia during the Soviet period. Much of these criteria would be in full effect if it wasn&#8217;t for occupation. Someday, Palestine shall become a full-fledged UN Member State &#8211; the only thing stopping this is the US veto power and pressure.

 

A whole 22??? Wow, what a grasp you have on things.

According to you we should give all of the middle east back to the ottomans then, right?? It was taking from them in conquest so we should give it back. Get serious woof. Israel was recognized on May 14, 1948 as an independent nation and on May 15, 1948 they were hit by 5 arab nations. And that's not counting the Civil War the Jews were forced into from Dec. 1, 1947 until May of 48'.

What were the Arab nations intentions??? Did you ever stop and consider what would have happened if they had won. King Farouk of Egypt wished to annex all of southern Palestine to Egypt. Nuri as- Said of Iraq had ambitions for bringing the entire Fertile Crescent under Iraqi leadership. Both Syria and Lebanon wished to take certain areas of northern Palestine. And the so called Palestinians wanted all the land that was alloted to Israel. So, WOW, you know SO MUCH. NOT! And you want to complain about what Israel did???

Law of return??? Other than the law Israel made in 1950 please show me that law. And IF we are going to play that game, about 550,000 Arabs were displaced but over 1,100,000 Jews were displaced from Arab Nations. Do you really think the Arabs want to play it out all the way??? GET SERIOUS!!!

And just what is the currency they use and what do they manufacture besides death?? Their 12.6 billion comes, for the most part, outside of the area known as "Palestine".

So once more we have a snot nosed kid that knows nothing repeating rhetoric he either heard in school of read off some fool liberals page.

 

Oh, you want to play that game do you?? O.K., I also know how to play;

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFmandate.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFpartition.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MF1948.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MF1956.html

Care to continue??
O.K!!

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MF1967.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MF1973.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFboundaries.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFlebanon.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFtreatment.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrefugees.html

I know who the aggressor in the Middle East has been and it falls completely on the Arabs shoulders. So far everything that I saw happening in the middle east since 1956 corresponds with what these pages have to say.

 

Friend, it depends on who you are and what you want to prove for the definition you chose to use. I consider a State to be a Country, recognized so by the world at large, not a terrorst group screaming they are a state. I have stated what it takes to be a country 3 times now. Accept it or reject it, it's still the yard stick used. You want to claim that Hamas is the governing body for the west bank and gaza strip, O.K., and that puts that Governing body and those they govern on the terrorist list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas


http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/Hamas.htm
Attitude toward Israel:
Historically, Hamas has called for the destruction of the state of Israel, and refused to recognize it. Its manifesto contains strong and incendiary language about the requirement for Muslims to wage jihad against foreign usurpers of Muslim lands.


http://www.cfr.org/israel/hamas/p8968#p8
What attacks is Hamas responsible for?
Hamas is believed to have killed more than five hundred people in more than 350 separate terrorist attacks since 1993. Not all Hamas's attacks have been carried out by suicide bombers.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4181496,00.html
Nothing stopped Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas prime minister in Gaza, from making Ahmadinejad-style declarations that Israel’s days are numbered and calling for the establishment of an Arab Jihad army for Palestine’s liberation.

Need I continue???

 

QUOTE: Someday, Palestine shall become a full-fledged UN Member State – the only thing stopping this is the US veto power and pressure.

A 2nd term for Obama could make this a real possibility. Some in Israel may object; but I trust there are many others who would welcome a change. A Palestinian state is not likely to cause any more violence than is already in place. The question is, will a Palestinian state contribute to peace in the region? There's only one way to find out!

 

"Either way it's an irrelevant question meant to distract." See? What did I say? You're attempting to pull a

Well one had the Ottoman Empire not been dismantled we would not have the problems with Arab nationalism we do today. Two, the Ottoman Empire's territory being taken was prior to wars of annexation being illegal. Three, they were hit by five Arab nations because they stole territory outside the UN Partition Plan.

Well, no. The Plaestinians wanted their land which the Israelis stole. The others used it as a justification to expand, their annexation would also have been illegal. Just because someone else wants to commit a crime, doesn't mean you're allowed to.

We're not talking about Arab nations, we're talking about Israel's discriminatory practices against a minority of their citizens. As a supposed developed nation I expect Israel to conduct themselves to a higher standard than others.

Impossible, the blockade make major exportation impossible.

Here again we see that rather than hold a cogent argument you instead resort to personal attacks. The age old ad hominem debating style.