The assult on Evolution in Tennessee continues.....

Evolution is a scientific theory just like plate tectonics. Facts are observations that are repeatable. An example of a scientific fact would be that the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s

If it was a fact it would be called the Evolutionary Fact instead of the theory of evolution.

 

To be argumentative, the ten commandments were at one point law codices for Jewish peoples just like Rome's twelve, so there is some relevance that could possible be attached in using it for artwork...whereas no to Jesus and the Spaghetti monster.

I mean, we have the goddess Justice on the walls, don't we?

 

Scientists have been able to prove that certain species orginated from differnt species, that's evoultion. The Theory of evoultion is about us all coming from the same species, is next to impossible to prove, because we'd have to find direct proof of that. The second part, Humans came from Apes, scientists still need direct proof.

 

No, its not being pushed on anyone.

you are not being forced to believe them, you are not being forced to read them, you are not being forced to become a christian or jew or muslim.

you are dead wrong and you don't know what the 1st amendment means.

 

so so you think gravity is not a fact either then sense we have a theory of gravity.... no one can reproduce gravity in the lab, so it must not be real?

 

I think this debate is pretty easy to solve. Scientists aren't outside of churches with signs protesting that what is being taught inside churches on many levels are myths or fairy tales. You don't see it. You don't see it anywhere. You've never seen it. Agnostic/Atheist people could not care less (at least the mass mass majority of them) where/how/when you pray and what/how/who you pray to.

Keep the religion out of school. Let's keep what is being taught as accurate and informative as possible. Now are there some plausible points with intelligent design? Sure, I'm sure there are. But, I would guarantee that the majority of people that believe in intelligent design on average are less intelligent and less informed than the ones that believe in evolution. Saying 'God did it' is the most simplistic way of looking at the world.

Here's the thing - You can believe whatever you want in your church and no one will care. Just don't bring it into the schools. Throughout history, western religion has always been wrong about the environment and universe. This can be from burning witches to imprisoning Galileo, religion has been wrong.

Just keep it outside of schools. Teachers, who are trying to teach a class on evolution shouldn't have to deal with 12 year olds who's parents (and thus them) believe that the world is only 5000 years old.

Keep them separated, teach Science. Religion stays the same, it's the same beliefs as it was 2000 years ago. Science is always changing and adapting. If there are holes in the evolution model, they will be tested, examined and changed. There's no need to bring God into any of it.

 

I disagree, the 1st Amendment was very clear, congress shall pass no law respecting any one religion over another, if you open the door to Christians, you open the door to Muslims, Scientology, Spaghetti Monsters, the whole works, our courtrooms would become a mockery

 

Science and facts need to be learned no matter what is learned at home.
Evolution most certainly is a fact. And that is a fact

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Wrong, this is what the 1st says....

Government cannot pass no law respecting an establishment of religion( it cannot create a religion endorsed by government. Or prevent people from exercising their own religion.

 

putting the ten commandments in the courtroom is an endorsement of religion, thus violates the constitution

 

Bingo! +1.

 

Only if you are placing it in the context of it being religious, not if you are placing it in as an example of legal artifact of ancient Judea.

I have some Wiccan friends who make offerings to ancient Roman gods and goddesses. We have Roman gods and goddesses in our court houses.

Explain the difference.

 

You just quoted the free dictionary. Okay. You win. I cannot stand firm against the onslaught of an online dictionary that uses "we".

 

Look at the second link

 

give us an examples of the government endorsing Roman gods and goddesses in our court houses

 

The image of Justice is on the wall. She has a blindfold and scales. Hammurabi's law is on the walls of some. Should we be so (*)(*)(*)(*) antisemitic that we refuse to put the history of the Jewish race on our wall when we are so willing to put up Babylonians and Romans and whatnot?

Hmmm?

 

If you're worried about a 'dumber America', I'd suggest you bone up on proper punctuation.

Let's put that to the test, rstones.

Do you believe that Punctuated Equilibrium is the correct explanation for adaptation of species? Do you believe that species mutation and evolution are purely accidental and random acts?

 

as I said earlier, any courthouse that honors any religion, opens the door to all religions to access their courtroom to put their religions propaganda there as well

example, when tenn allowed one religion, they had to allow this

Flying Spaghetti Monster Lands Outside Tennessee Courthouse

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2008/04/flying-spaghett/



"The artists’ interpretation of the Flying Spaghetti Monster sits alongside an Iraq war memorial, chainsaw-carved monkeys and a sculpture of Jesus carrying a cross, according to the Crossville Chronicle."

 

Your argument is facile, CarlB. The Constitution allows religious expression in public buildings.

Thomas Jefferson himself arranged and attended Sunday Service in the House Of Representatives.

As one of the authors of the Constitution you claim to understand, how exactly do you explain that?

 

That's cute, but it's different.

Those who put the FSM up were doing so as an affront to other religions, in a negative expression of belief.

Examples of Christian religion in Government buildings isn't negative; it's a positive affirmation of belief.

You will refuse to acknowledge the difference, and why it is so critical.

 

no one is saying throughout history some have not tried to violate the constitution, happens all the time, sometimes they get slapped down, other times they get away with its...

an example of a time they did not get away with it

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

""Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." "

 

the ten commandments says to all other religions, our god is the only god we are the only way, think that might be offensive to some to be put on a court room wall

1st law you want on our court room walls "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

how about a hanging saying "Thou shalt not believe in Gods Myths", same things, only that includes all gods, the christian hanging included all but theirs

 

Is Hammurabi's Law an endorsement of religion or history?

They aren't putting up images of Jesus and the Virgin Mary, but a codices that people have used as a basis of legal systems for thousands of years.

The spaghetti monster as cute as it is, is not.

But tell yourself that all you want, but there's never been a spaghetti monster --it's just a theory.

 

maybe we should have them take the stand and swear on the bible that they will not be a false witness and then ask them if it is a religious wall hanging or not

FSM is just another version of Intelligent Design, one that if schools taught ID would need to teach along with it, kids would love it I am sure

 

Maybe, or we could give kids the textbooks and allow open dialog so that it doesn't seem like we're trying to cookie cutter their brain or smack their hands for asking questions.

I don't understand why people are so scared of questions. I'd let kids ask about Leprechauns if it encouraged them to participate in class. School is boring enough as it is without debate--and debate has been proven to educate better than lecture. It also requires an opposing viewpoint.

But... you go ahead with that whole scared of creationists thing if its workin' out for ya.