Oklahoma Embryo Personhood Law Fails

If I were ruler of the world, you mean? I don't believe in life support. I wish it had never been invented. It makes families prolong grief and suffering. It's unnatural as is abortion, IVF, etc. Without technology there would be environmental, spiritual, and natural balance. If I were ruler of the world I would outlaw all technology beyond that of the Roman era.

That's just me...

 

With Terry Shiavo...it was just a matter of feeding and hydrating her. She could breath fine and her organs were working. Pulling the plug on a machine is one thing. Letting someone starve and dehydrate to death is another.

 

Thank goodness common sense has prevailed. Right-wing extremists will continue to try to curtail abortion by coming up with such absurd bills such as calling a zygote, fetus or embryo a person.

 

We should stop eating eggs than.

 

A man's choice to kill his wife??? lol That's not an issue of disagreement and does not characterise the pro-life position - everybody is against this.
So, you guys are all against the death penalty and war too, if you generally defend life? Ah no, there is the qualifier of "innocent".

Let's be honest for a moment: "pro-life" is specifically about abortion, and thereby implicitly against women's choice.
You may want to put the emphasis differently, but it does propose to curb women's rights.

It's odd that nobody seems to be prepared to address the specifics of the concept of personhood and the defining characteristics.
A zygote is not sentient, no matter how you look at it, and this will not change during history.

No, I do not "agree that slaves were not people", curious how now it's "people", before "life" was pinpointed, why shirk away from personhood in discussions?

 

if that innocent human being hasn’t become a person yet i don’t mind no different from not conceiving it in the 1st place the same potential person doesn’t exist and never was

 

Good thing your mom wasn't that selfish, huh?
If the "potential person" is ot a human, then why is murdering a pregnant woman a DOUBLE HOMICIDE?

 

a puppy or a kitten is a higher form of life then a human at the single cell stage less lifetime potential when it comes to brain power I have to admit though vs a human at that point they have the advantage of having a brain

I kill more intelligent t things then a single cell human when I squish bugs around the apartment

 

Why can NOT ONE "abortion on demander" answer this question?

I've asked it what....8-9 times here?

If an unborn child is not a human, then why is murdering a pregnant woman, a DOUBLE HOMICIDE?


How can that be?

 

Yes and its a good thing all are mothers got knocked up when they did if they didn’t have sex at the right time we would not be alive either so every time you’re not combining a sperm with an egg and those cells die when that union would have led to some one its = to an abortion more than one if they would have led to twins or more

my mistake you don’t need to have sex you just need to fuse the 2 cells brain fart on my part sorry

 

Well you could declare killing anything is a homicide if you have people that wanted to do so but I’m with you an unborn human is a living human

Hmm i wonder if killing someone who is chimera should be considered double homicide. It is 2 full sets of human dna in one body

 

Can't answer the question, we see.....how is the SAME unborn baby a "human" in one case, and a "clump of cells" in a other?

Leftninny Dichotomy,and why Roe v Wade will FALL.

It is a STATES' RIGHTS ISSUE, and the VOTERS should decide whether or not they CHOOSE to PROTECT THE UNBORN....

 

Gobbledygookthink at its finest...

 

Once again:

If an unborn child is NOT A HUMAN, why is murdering a pregnant woman, a DOUBLE HOMICIDE?

 

cant you read im agreeing with you the unborn humans are humans its just humans when their nothing more than clumps of cells or one cell can die for all i care if the mother wants them to I don’t see anything wrong with that

 

or maybe your just not capable of understanding what i have to say you’re at least having difficulty can you be more specific in your criticism that might help me communicate better with you

 

How are WOMEN, ALONE, granted the power to "award": personhood" one day, "Non-personhood" the next, to the SAME UNBORN BABY.

That's a crock of crap, and it is the VOTERS' right to determine whether or not their state will actively protect the unborn.

 

Well, your osting style is a bit "stream of conciousness" to discern...

 

Because society feels icky about it. They want to ensure that the perpetrator of the crime is given a more severe punishment. The mother is seen as a victim of opportunity/a person at higher risk.

Its a knee jerk emotional reaction.

 

SO you disagree with calling it a double homicide?

 

Humans control human law we can make laws that don’t entirely make sense i suppose

how is it just women deciding what a person is?

and how is voting state by state on what a person is any better than women deciding i get that’s more democratic but how’s it make things more sensible

 

Fetal homicide laws should exist, but I disagree with the context. Instead of granting a situational personhood to a child in utero (which wouldn't matter in case of an abortion) the laws should be re-written to protect the "intent of the carrying mother", thus enabling offenders to be subject to additional penalty due to their disruption of said intent. Wording the law this way erases the conflict... and co-exists well with existing the Roe v wade law that establishes a carrying mother as the decider.

There's absolutely no point in giving a fetus situational personhood. Either it is, or it isn't.