Obama ducks call to release college transcripts

No, he didn't. Why do you feel the need to lie?

 

You have a shallow, deflecting defense. My questions are valid.

 

Not the same thing and you know it.

 

They proved his citizenship, but not that it was "natural-born." They used a phony BC to do that.

 

Or people could look at his record for the last 4 years and decide whether to vote for Obama or not.

Why anyone who has 4 years of Presidential performance to judge a President by, need to know what his college grades from 20 years ago in order to decide whether to vote for him?

Well the answer is- not one person who is stomping their feet demanding the records would vote for Obama no matter what unless they were paid good money.

 

So you didn't care if Bush was entered for White Man's Affirmative action, but you need to know if Obama got preferences for Black Man's Affirmative action?

Thats right- one was for almost exclusively White men to get special preferences to get into college- the other was not.

Not the same thing at all.

 

Birthers lol.....

 

Oh, BS. Legacy is not "White Man's Affirmative Action." I'm white, yet before I was born the only degrees in my family were theological and from the police academy. From my *extended* family. My mother was the first person in my direct family to get a degree, and she got it from a public university of no renown a single year before I graduated high school. So tell me, where is my White Man's Affirmative Action? It doesn't exist, because it's a legacy, not White Man's Affirmative Action.

Here's the problem with your comparison: affirmative action applies to all black people, based on the color of their skin (interesting note - most black or "African American" students at Harvard are actually from relatively recent immigrant families from Africa and West India - less than a third are the descendants of American slaves). I, however, being white, can not be aided by white man's affirmative action.

I don't get it. Somehow it's unfair to allow legacies, because a black man is less likely to have a legacy than a white man, but it's perfectly fine to give preference to a black man based on the color of his skin. Look, I'm a white man, and I don't have a legacy. Being a white man, what are my chances of being black? Legacies and affirmative action are hardly fair to compare.

 

As we have discussed elsewhere, I believe questioning Obama's (pick your issue) is a relief valve for many people, NOT excluding those that voted for him. There is little question in my mind that he or more likely his handlers, contrived a character (made up) to achieve an agenda (social justice) through a major party and succeeded.

While I understand the minority aspect of this achievement in your mind and others, what your neglecting to consider are the unintended consequences and this was/is my concern. Historians are not going to judge the "First Black President" or for my purpose the first minority President in a very good way and all this obfuscating, lying or misleading will be come to light, via yet to be known "tell all" books, discrediting any perceived achievements. This "New Party" angle really has me concerned, which was also called a "conspiracy" in 2008 and already coming to light...as probably true.

 

Smartmouth as I said in another thread.

So much for this: http://youtu.be/o5t8GdxFYBU

Once again the American people were promised transparency in their government, and yet again were bold faced lied too.

 

Leftist anti-constitutional Socialists lol....

 

Near decade of Bush lies and the republicans didn't seem to mind. Why worry now?

 

So your mother's university didn't provide Legacy Affirmative Action? Guess your mom went to the wrong University. George Bush went to a fine private school that provides Affirmative Action to children of those who graduated from that school previously- and based upon when George Bush the Senior graduated, that was almost exclusively white- about 99% or so.

Affirmative action therefore is based upon who the student is descended from....just like Legacy students. Just as you can't get Black Man's affirmative action (if it exists in the institution that you are applying for), Barack Obama couldn't have gotten into Columbia under the White Man's affirmative action because he had the misfortune not to have been born to the correct father.

I think that affirmative action is just as fair as 'legacy' affirmative action. Conceptually, both give an advantage to students over other students based simply upon who their parents were. Either giving preferences to students for things other than their own performance is right or it is wrong. I happen to think that both Legacy and Affirmative Action based upon race can equally be justified- and either they are both acceptable, or neither is acceptable.

I would just love to find out that Obama got into Harvard because he is a legacy student, and watch these folks spin that.

 

I think historians will judge Obama on his entire Presidency, and how that will be judged is too early. But I do think that Historians will look at the whacky conspiracy theory, and the all the obfuscating, lying and misleading of the Birthers and his other oppoenents will get a foot note among history- whether it will be judged to be racist in origin or just the push of a bunch of whackadoodles is too early to predict.

 

Hmmmm haven't seen any of those around here.

Me- I am a big fan of the Constitution. Which doesn't mention college transcripts once.

 

I didn't see a Pamphlete on Romney that said he was from Kenya I did see one for Obama.
http://theconservativemonster.mobi/2012/05/17/obama-pamphlet-from-1991-states-born-in-kenya-.aspx
Now why would they say he came from Kenya unless he said he came from Kenya. I want to see his college records to see if he made any claims on them based on the evidence of that pamphlet.

 

Really? And how could you tell, from a photograph on a computer screen, if it was real or otherwise? Oh yes, some 'expert' told you...so how could he tell unless he had forensically examined the original, which he could not have done? Simple question.

 

Your premise is faulty. Legacy entries are not restricted to white people.

 

Your argument is too narrow. The vast majority of legacies are whites, and blacks are disproportionately underrepresented.

Because they were excluded for decades.

 

They aren't excluded now and can be gotten in via legacy just like whites. So no it's not too narrow.

 

What good does that do if there are extremely few black legacies becaue of the historical policy of exclusion?

It doesn't mean anything to say they aren't excluded now if there were few previous legacies they might benefit from.

 

Just like his birth certificate - YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT NOW. A retarded Kenyan would be highly embarrassing to the USA. It would have been instrumental in disqualifying an incompetent in 2007-2008. Now, it would pave the path for Osama bin Laden's son to be the next president of the USA. Think of that the next time you see a "journalist" like Anderson Pooper. As the Three Stooges used to say - Every time you think you weaken the nation (a paraphrase for Obama as "president" of the USA).

 

So should we make quotta's for letting russians in, or Germans, or um every (*)(*)(*)(*)ing one else simply because they weren't in the US getting into college to qualify to be a legacy. You make no sense.

 

I found this particularly ironic, lol.............http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...-kenya-get-into-harvard-4.html#post1061294345

 

what is your evidence he used a phony BC? you are of course aware that hawaii verified it's authenticity, so that would mean 2 administrations, both republican and democratic, are in on the conspiracy.

such is the idiocy of birthers.