What REALLY is Fascism?

My question: Why does fascism seek to do that? is not answered. Why does fascism seek corporativism? The answer is: ultra-nationalism. If you really think every country in the world if fascist, it has lost all its meaning. In fact, you have subjected fascism to hyper-inflation, with it now being a worthless word

You might want to read the Doctrine of Fascism, let me quote some relevant things:

Fascism is thus based on the idea that the state, an undemocratic totalitarian one, ought to control political, economic, social, and cultural affairs. Why? The red threat throughout this all is the nation--i.e. nationalism, and a zealous, extremist one of that.

Fascism aimed at a national rebirth, to be achieved through a totalitarian state, for nationalist reasons, i.e. palingenetic ultranationalism. To say that every country in the world is at present fascist is beyond ridiculous.

Today, the only undoubtedly totalitarian state is North Korea. Now I suppose you will reinvent the meaning of the word "totalitarian" as to encompass all states around the world, correct?

 

I do see where you are coming from, however, what you describe is really more a plutocracy, or perhaps a kleptocracy.

Technically, true Fascism would not permit corporations to have such power.

And private banks would not be permitted the influence that they have.

Nor would usury be permitted, to the rampant degree that it is.

 

Just because X can exist under any system, it does not mean that X is not a requirement for Y.

 

Would it?

That would be terrible, if we had a healthier population.

Hurrah for not being under the evil grip of Fascism then...

 

Define left. Certainly not socialist:

"Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical
reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon."

From The Doctrine of Fascism.

Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore vegetarianism is fascist.

 

Thought process? It's little more than a basic motor function!

 

Fascism, Communism and the other isms are all scams put forth by the super rich to manipulate and milk the general population.

 

Mitt Romney and Mussolini, too unalike to be compared, the context and circumstances are all different.

In a true fascist state, you would have one (ideally well received) leader. There is not meant to be an invisible hand, or corporate influnce, of any of that, if there is, then it has become something other than fascism, imo.

Mussolini was of an age of true and real political ideals and philosophies, whether one liked them or not, in the past we had real political idealogies, that stood for a definite thing, and we had founders and men that would be prepared to risk their own life, for the furthering of their political ideal, whatsoever it may be. There was a certain sense of pride in it, imo.

All of that has been swept away now.

There are NO true political ideals, thinkers, and philosophers, there is only plutocracy.

There are no real countries anymore, our real countries are 'Microsoft' and 'Goldman Sachs', and 'JP Morgan'.

These corporations do not risk their lives, to further their aims.

They dishonestly, using complex methods and sleight of hand, trick others into dying for their benefit.

In many ways, at least the soldier who went to fight for Mussolini's Italy, or who was a supporter of Franco's Spain believed in SOMETHING of true political substance.

Romney/Bush/Obama/Whoever, for many decades now, are merely paid puppets, to serve the interests of plutocrats, and also a country that is not their country.

Therefore, no comparison to classic Fascism, imo.

Jack

 

Yeah sounds like a mighty good business plan:

"hey, let's set up a scam and organise a movement that advocates the abolition of the 'rich' class, socialise private businesses, and abolish the profit-motive."

 

It works very well on those addicted to reactionary "thinking". It is otherwise called, The Dialectics of War.

 

Here is the problem I have, right here, with saying that I belong to any one political philosophy or ideal - it is too limiting, and often then does not permit you to incorporate other aspects into your own perception, if they are seen to conflict with the party line, as it were.

Probably why I have never alligned to an organised political party, with a hierarchy either, again, I find it rather limiting.

I do find it amusing when I hear people in the US, on tv and on here, throw around real terms, like Fascist, Marxist, Communist, Socialist etc, usually when speaking about Obama, for example.

He, is, of course, none of those things, and all of those things, for he is really what the invisible hand behind him, wants him to be, at that precise moment in time.

He is ... an actor, and many US Presidents before him, and after his time.

When it suits the invisible hand for Obama to play the 'peaceful sounding black guy', that was the role he was playing, swanning around, picking up awards like the NPP, as if he were MLK.

When it then suited the invisible hand to make Obama more hawk like, so he became more hawk like, sending more troops to Afghani, Libya, Syrian, threats to Iran, his drones and hit list (which is clearly not HIS list!).

In many ways, a classical system of Fascism would have the potential, imo, to be more honest than that which I have just described.

Jack

 

Fascist, it takes more than peg legs and eye patches. Learn that lesson and you'll be swashbuckling with the best of 'em.

 

I would have thought that the only thing you can milk from the general population these days is drugs.

 

No. Fascism is an ideology that forcefully defends that ideals, is part of the fascism. Mainly is the most important part of fascism. That is the basis of fascism.

 

Are you Spanish, or just living there?

Not that it really matters, I was just going to bring Franco into this, that was all...

 

I really doubt there is any Marxist, fascist, communist, or socialist advocacy groups influencing his decisions.

That is true. But far more brutal as well.

 

What works well? Abolishing the profit-motive and expropriating capitalists works well for capitalists? Unlikely. You may want to be less elusive and try to convey it to me. I am but a simple bloke after all.

 

Absolutely.

The US, albeit it is meant to be a 'democracy', it has claimed far more lives, both of it's own people, and of other people's, than Italian Fascism and Spanish Fascism ever did, put together, to the factor of many.

Not that I have ever heard a compelling arguement as to why we should consider a representative democracy as being the holy grail and model for all nations, anyway.

It is blinkered to think that would be true.

It would also be blind to the fact, that by it's very nature, a 'representative democracy' is not well fortified enough, against being usurped.

As we can see today.

Jack

 

What do they have in common with Mussolini's fascism? Economic policy.

 

Certainly wasn't rightwing.

Not in this country, and it never will. Certainly not at the hands of the right. Look at how much bush the failure grew the govt.

You can have your wet dreams all you want, and no game has been rigged. Reality isn't a 'game'.

 

Even mythical small govt in bed with big business?
In other words what does the size of govt have to do with anything?

 

In this thread here, I make this observation(s) http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/250442-case-philosopher-king.html

 

Fascism is a belief in nationalism and that their society should nationalistically achieve perfection. It believes in allowing for those eugenically perfect and purging those who are not. It does not give everybody a chance at the pursuit of happiness, it says that the government decides who achieves this happiness and who does not.

 

No, I am pretty sure that the pursuit of eugenics is not a given with Fascism, more of an optional extra, as mass murdering is to a democracy(sic).

And a plutocracy determines who can be happy.

I would say Fascism strives to make more of it's own people happy(sic), than a plutocracy, since the latter has no national loyalty, other than to see people as consumers.

 

Obama is a fascist.