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Agreed. She knows the truth. That was not her son screaming for help. And that her son had gone a bit to the thug side.

Doesn't make it right that her son is dead. But he was legally shot in the act of trying to seriously harm another, and she knows it.

 

There is just as much indication that TM was a hood rat as there is for your contentions below.

Margot, I normally like you and your posts. A lot of your posts have structure and logic.....except for when it comes to this topic. You have a preconceived idea of who GZ is. You have added 1 + 1 and got 2....then divided you 5....multiplied by 10....subtracted 3....and think you have it all figure out with the right answer. You may even be correct with the answer you have. However, you are missing the whole concept. You have been as stubborn about grasping that concept then any student I have ever taught. The concept is that as long as GZ's story about how it happened is possible, that constitutes a REASONABLE DOUBT. If the trial is fair and just, he should not be found guilty if there is REASONABLE DOUBT. Even a manslaughter conviction will be hard to achieve as BLATANT DISREGARD must be proven. Following a suspicious person does not qualify. You may not think TM was suspicious, but that does not matter. GZ thought he was suspicious....for what ever reason.

 

Since he was from Miami Gardens I would say the odds of him being a hood rat are pretty good.

The big problem the persecution has is that contact was broken off when Martin ran. That is clear on the 911 call. There is no proof that GZ re-initiated contact but there is proof TM returned from where he ran. This and his other actions show he wasn't scared and made an effort to re-initiate contact with GZ. Witness #2 first claimed to see two figures running but then changed it to seeing only one person running in the direction of the "T" in the sidewalk where the confrontation happened. Since it is known for sure only TM went in that direction it is very possible the figure she saw running was TM going to confront GZ.

 

That is for the court to decide, isn't it? Apparently, some people disagree with you. . .since Zimmerman is in jail, and that, even if he gets a second bond. . .he will still be a convict under watch 24 hours a day.

You mean, you were not concerned about his hitting his ex girl friend, calling her a ho, and having a restraining order against him? Or having him attack an undercover cop? And the descriptions by former co-workers of his quick temper and aggressive tendencies?

The community had already told him (and the police during the training session they did at the end of 2011) that he was not allowed to carry a gun while patrolling the neighborhood. . .that is why Zimmerman had to say that he was "on his way to Target." But that also takes away the TINY bit of "official" representation he had at the time he profiled and followed Martin.

 

I disagree. There are plenty of "doubts" and outright "certainties" that Zimmerman has lied many times in the telling of his story.

And. . .there is a very good reason why it is called "beyond REASONABLE doubt," and not "beyond ANY doubt!"

Everyone can have "doubts" about almost everything. . .but many of us realize that many of our "doubts" are irrationals and BEYOND reasonable.

I believe this is the case with Zimmerman.

I am seriously concerned about the extreme to which some Zimmerman defenders insist that it is just fine for anyone to find anyone else "suspicious" for no reason. . .and that if that person appears "suspicious" to even a sick mind. . .that sick mind, if armed with a gun, has the ability to claim self-defense with NO PROOF that the "suspicious" person acted or even thought about acting in an illegal manner, and shoot that person without any consequences for him!

What kind of country are your building? A country where EVERYONE is afraid of his own shadow? A country where EVERYONE should carry a gun, "just in case" someone appears "suspicious" or someone finds him "suspicious?"

The ONLY People would benefit from this are the gun industry. . .and obviously, if everyone has ONE gun, the "bad guys" will need a better, or faster, or maybe two guns. . .so everyone will need to "upgrade" to that new level of "safety."

Talk about "arms race!" With countrymen living in constant paranoia and under constant fear of his neighbor. . .the US won't need "enemies!" We will just destroy ourselves!

 

No doubt TM returned to where the struggle started. He had to have ran/walked far enough down the area between the townhomes to be out of eye sight and ear shot of GZ when GZ walked by that area.

Witness #2 originally claimed seeing 2 figures running toward the "T" in the sidewalk where the struggle started but then changed her story to seeing only one figure. That would fit TM running in that direction to confront GZ. Where she witnessed the running figure would also be far enough to be out of sight and hearing distance in that dark area.

Here is a photo of where witness #2 lives and the direction she saw the figure running:

 

That is actually a very good point and could set up a civil suit by the community against GZ for damages if any can be proven. However, GZ was licensed to carry a handgun, so it has no legal basis in a criminal trial.

 

The reasonable doubt isn't if "it could have happened in a different manor". The reasonable doubt is "could it have happened as GZ explained. If, after all the evidence is presented, the situation COULD have gone as GZ said it did, then there is a reasonable doubt that he is guilty.

It is the same country that has been around for over 200 years. These laws have existed almost as long, in one form or another. It is the basis for "innocent until PROVEN guilty".

 

Really the "reasonable doubt" applies to the prosecution's case against Zimmerman. They are the ones bringing the charges and have the burden of proof. GZ has to only be able to raise the issue of self defense to get the jury instructed. It doesn't require alot of proof to claim self defense for jury instruction. There is plenty of evidence to prove it.

 

So people are still trying to claim Trayvon Martin was targeted and killed by a WHITE-hispanic just because he was black?

That tired meme is beyond pathetic. It lives in the willful minds that are polluted with ignorant hate. That's why the media
continually shows the picture of a 12 year old boy... to keep the hate filled sheep right where they all want to stay! Hell... I
bet many of these sheep believe to this day that it was a 12 year old boy that was killed!

Hate has the ability to cause one to become the very thing they think they are fighting against... A RACIST! That's WHY we
see the ridiculous "WHITE-hispanic" label given to Zimmerman... it helps stoke the desired racism fire for the willing haters!

That being said.... I disagree with neighborhood watch volunteers carrying guns. Too many things can go wrong
like what happened here. I think a video camera can do the job of watching your neighborhood. Let home owners defend their
property and themselves with guns... and leave neighborhood watching to watching. I wouldn't want my neighborhood watch
carrying pistols... that's Zimmerman's f**kup... he's not blameless in this tragedy. And he should face proportionate justice...
negligent manslaughter.

But all you people that believe TM was targeted to be shot because he's black and GZ being half white matters...well, you
believe that because that's what you WANT to believe! It's also what disproportionate others WANT you to believe!

I wonder WHY Trayvon's 12 year old picture was/is used instead of his current 17 year old picture? No... I don't wonder WHY...
I KNOW WHY!

 

The HOA may be liable in a wrongful death civil suit... which would NOT hurt George since George was a renter.

 

The case was local and unimportant until it went national.. so the press made no effort to get up to date photos. They used George 2005 mug shot where he looks a great deal like Chastity Bono.

It was ALWAYS reported that Trayvon was 17.... and after a month, there were up to date photos of both Trayvon and George.

Racist? Maybe.. GZ was convinced that all the burglaries were committed by black males.

But, IMO.. it looks more like George was simply an obsessed sociopath with a gun.

"White Hispanic" is a Homeland Security designation... Commonly used.. Look it up on wiki.. For instance Carmen Diaz is a White Hispanic.

 

The lynch mob simply will not discuss the jewelry issue.

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It is so funny you guys have centered the entire defense of Z on nothing but a pure fantasy.

 

Excellent reasoning!


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There is nothing to discuss.. The Broward police have the jewelry and have been unable to trace it to any burglaries.

 

It has been discussed and proven the jewelry was not stolen. But in the stormfrontesque view a young black man with jewelry means it's stolen jewelry. Isn't time for you to start another thread about a black guy?

 

Its excellent reasoning if you hold Trayvon accountable for George Zimmerman's mind.

 

I'm not sure why you even comment on the topic. I'm being serious. You don't even attempt to take an honest look at all known info.

 

He didn't just go home, Margot. There is no getting around that point.

Perhaps, Trayvon was a break-in teen, and didn't care for a guy like Zimmerman watching him? He was in possession of women's jewrley in school.

Perhaps, he just didn't like Zimmerman calling the police on him or keeping tabs on him because he was black and Zimmerman was Hispanic.

There are non-angelic Trayvon scenarios.

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All ignored by the Left.


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That's not your job on a jury. I hope to God that you never sit on one.

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None of Z's supporters will address the contradictions in his statements or the physical evidence proving Z lied, or admit his lying to the court shows his credibility is at best questionable, the fact not a single witness is saying they saw T hit Z, the fact two different witnesses saw only one person on the ground before the gunshot once again proving Z's version is false, the fact he always targeted black guys since moving there in 2009, or the fact he is the only one with a criminal record and proven history of violence.

In short, there isn't a single Z supporter on here willing to be honest by addressing all known info. They cherry pick then invent fantasies to defend Z.

 

She, more than any other, will own the deaths of anyone caused by any rioting. She turned this into a racial flash point.


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The racism being used to defend Z is freaking sick.