Does anyone have any ideas on where this Universe came from?

Well science pretty well domonstrated the universe is spreading out and speeding up so its not likely to contract. Multiverse theory states there are likely infinite universes from our perspective and those crashing together could create new ones some dying fast and others along completely new physical structures. Some universes are right with us here in fact of all the possibilities that we will every experience.

That said there is a mystery the first cause if its a deity where did he or she or they come from and if the universe when did it start, both have equal merit save you can demonstrate plausibility in the science for a non-diety approach. Its in the end a mystery the fact is we are here so that must suffice and I assume we die and nothing else goes on save we cease to exist. Now if there is a divine force he/she/it/they made me rational and must accept by our freedom some will refuse to believe in this force and that should be expected for me that would be kind of interesting to have happen just I don't think it will.

 

Infinity is a difficult concept to grasp, whether you are religious or not. There is no escaping infinity in either model! That there always was "something" or that there always was "God".

So regardless which model you feel comfortable with, God, no god, you are still going to deal with infinity. Nether can be measured or seen.

That time can not exist with out space or space with out time is another factor to consider. And time is relevant not constant.

For me, I see a deliberate and intelligent design. I am not referring to the "Intelligent Design" popularized by the Christian Right, but in the strictest sense, minus religion, I can see a intelligent design. After all there are laws that govern every thing. The laws of physics can not be broken.

Where the universe came from is unknown. It could also have been infinite. We can only detect the visible portion of the universe, because it is expanding, there is a greater portion that can not be observed. Whatever caused the big bang or what was before the big bang we don't know. We are pretty sure that *something* was always present. There never could have been nothing. Even if you do not believe in god, it's understood there had to be some thing. Whatever that some thing was is infinite. A concept we can not grasp.

 

Okay here goes my crazy thinking on the subject.

The universe was always here because it is not possible to have nothing.

Even nothing has a sound. The loudest sound.

The universe "began" with the sound.

 

But there is no evidence that the universe has always existed and any logical and intelligent person will know that matter or whatever cannot come into existence by itself out of nothing. And when I say nothing I'm not talking about a vacuum of space without stuff in it.......empty space is something. The evidence point to a begging, but the problem for some is that they believe that if an intelligent being is responsible they assume that we should be able to see him, hear him, feel him, or whatever via the five senses as if such a being is subject to our rules and limitations of a human being as well as to time and space. The concept of a being who is able to create it would be outside of his creation seem to be the farthest thing from the mind of the unbeliever, and would rather change the subject if brought up.

 

Favorite number of God? What makes you think that?

And your picture is wrong, bro.

It only counts 7, but it shows 9.

There are more than that anyway.

 

Wrong.

The "backtracking into a singularity" was first thought up by George Lamaitre in 1931.

Mechanical equivalence came over 100 years before that.

And you got it backwards.

Conservation of energy means that as matter gives off energy it's gotta convert its mass to energy in order to keep giving off energy. Going backwards means that the singularity gains mass as we go back in time which is why the singularity is described as infinitely dense and infinitely massive.

 

Sure it's not a suprise that I'm singing Christmas Carols. I'm a Christian. But I would be surprised if you could press a ton of coal within zero seconds through a not existing keyhole. And if you could do so I would be convcined that the endless energy in the keyhole is not higher than the energy of a ton of coal. And I also doubt a little about that the coal arrives on the not existing other side of nowhere as coal or as a ton of Christmas trees.

http://youtu.be/Y4wKDEou8hU

 

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There are seven steps between thhe Big Bang and now as the chart shows...

Here is another scientists picture of the seven steps on the creation which is the favorite nukmber used in the bible...






Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of Seven Stages:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...

... in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2), the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which congealed into the planet) earth.


God's bible then goes into detail to describe the earliest first appearance of the spinning matter around tge sun which was a dark disk and void of global shape...





Gen. 1:2 And the earth was without form, (a spinning cloud of molten matter and gases), and void: (not valid as a sphere yet- an accretion disk), and darkness: [choshek: obscurity] was upon the face of the deep: [tehowm: the deep primeval abyss].
And (the great Shechinah), the spirit, (the pan-en-theistic Natural Laws) of God moved upon the face: [paniym: presence] of the "waters" (of these transitory things: [mayim: Hebrew])

 

12 dimensional superstring [O(12) superstring from the E7 Lie Group, with 2 complete spacetimes resulting in 2 dimensions of time, a requirement for O(12) superstrings], 9 from 3 from the One.

 

All we know about intelligent beings is that they are conceived of a sperm and egg cell and then grow into babies, to children, and to adults. To posit an intelligent being at the beginning of the universe is absurd without leaving room for the sperm and egg. To say you have a special case of an intelligent being who does not require a sperm or egg is no different from saying the universe itself is a special case which needs no creator. Now explain why someone will be punished eternally for choosing incorrectly between these two equally unprovable positions.

 

You seem to be under the impression that the Creator has to be created before he or she can create. You are simply tied up in knots inside the dimension of time. Creation is outside of time.

 

But we still need to ponder The First Cause, right?

Science insists that magic and the supernatural does not exu-ist and that everything is a matter of Cause/Effect.

However, to get that disciple established science must make the one Axiom they ask us to accept, which is that we ignore the First Cause right from the start.

What is funny is even when we give then that cravat, in the end, they present the insigth of Quantum Physics which inherent in the Wave/Particle dilemma we see what amounts to rather super and extraordinarily outside what was understood to be the Naturl Laws.

In that recognition we must start believing that something can be in two places at the same time, that quantums of energy can just leap from one place to another without going thru the Space intermediate to them, and the things can only exist if some observation of them is made, etc.

 

The First Cause is the First EFFECT. God created herself, to create herself, und so weiter..

 

1) The evidence is that the Universe, the MATERIAL universe has NOT always been here.
That IS what the Big Bang Theory means.

2) We can relate to an Entity (i.e.; Father Nature), which has created the material universe by a network of Natural Laws as the process which the Reality we observe did so.

Fro birth, we are all trying to know just what it is that lies outside of our mind.
For 9 months, alone in the solitude of the womb, we had no clue that we would need to develop a personal relationship with the Entity we woukd meet at birth.

But upon birth, it became clear that this external Entity was almighty, in regard to our own personal salvation from immediate death.
In time, we realized that our entire species can only be saved from extinction by knowing The Truth about this almighty "god."

 

All intelligent beings ever observed are tied up in knots inside the dimension of time. Positing some other type of intelligent being from out of left field doesn't make any sense to me, but that's fine if anyone wants to believe it and can then somehow choose to believe what they want instead of considering logic. I think we can safely rule out the God of the Bible, since that one will punish people simply for choosing one of two equally unprovable positions, and will also punish people who aren't comfortable making any choice between unprovable positions at all. Since that doesn't make any sense, we can safely rule out the God of the Bible as the Creator.

Some other type of God which is logical may have been the Creator, but not the God of the Bible.

 

God is an intelligent being?

 

You seem to think that a mind can exist outside of time and space. Funny stuff.

 

Of course it can. Time and space are only necessary for interactions of matter and energy. Causality. Thought is not bound to those dimensions.

 

That is reasonable,... if we apply the Law of Conservation of Energy/mass to the Big Bang Theory.

Although we do not know what the exact quantum realities were at the first splt second of the Big Bang, our present beliefs suggest that pre-existibg Energy was the Cause of the Matter that suddenly appeared, along with the Space/time that contained it. that Matter can not be created nor destroyed, but only transformed from one into the other.

This idea, that Energy "causes" Matter (which fills the universe) does answer our question nicely about First Cause.
But this leaves us no better than before since we do not know what Energy is, exactly.

Energy is defined as an "Ability to do Work."

An ability is rather vague and intangible, and the connection of Energy to tghe Cause of the creation equates Enerefy with what people have called the Godof tge creation.

 

Well, yeah...
Thougths are not "contained in Space and they are not acted upon by time.
If anything, thoughts are electromagnetic impulses that leave our skull and extend infinitely outwards forever, no matter how weak those wave may become.

For people who doubt me on this, I suggest the recent Electroencepholograph studies that pick up waves coming from one person to another.

 

You argument is bound by time, space, matter, energy, conservation laws applying to those created things... Your concept of creation is bound by these things.

God exists outside of these things. The root of creation is also outside of these constructs, since creation is a part of Her, and these things are a part of Creation. There is nothing in existence that is not Her. God is All.

 

God is bunk..

 

ok.

No. Thoughts are processed and created in our mind, which operates on the substrate which is our brain. Therefore, the EM shadows detected are themselves but physical activity in the brain, which are but reflections of the existence of thought. The measured physical activity of thought is NOT thought.

 

No...
Intelligence only applies to us.

Intelligence merely means that we can image the Truth in our mind.
We KNOW this is true because we measure Intelligence by how many correct answers we check off on Intelligence Tests.

 

Then you find yourself in the wrong forum...with no contribution to offer. Nothing to give and you only take. Enjoy the heat...