America is a Christian nation

I have no love for Obama, he has done nothing of worth, excluding perhaps one or two minor things.

What is an "abortion pill"? Do you mean a morning after pill? Also, did he force insurance companies to cover it, or did he force the Catholic church to provide them?

Your statement that Obama is attacking religion is based on the fact that he requires the Catholic Church to follow the same law as other organisations. Why should religious organisations be given exemption from the law?

 

My link shows no decline . Since it shows 80% claiming to be Christian

 

My link shows no decline . Since it shows 80% claiming to be Christian

 

What gives him the right to demand insurance cover anything that is not needed for health reasons? Many Catholic churches and Business are self insured so that means he is forcing the church to provide what goes against church doctrine.

 

There are two seperate issues.

1) Should the Catholic Church be required to follow the same law as everyone else. (A general issue).

2) Should this particular law exist. (A specific issue).

Now, requiring that a religious organistation follow the same law as any other organisation is by no means "anti-religious".

Should this particular law exist is a seperate matter.

Now which is the problem in your opinion

1) That this particular law exists. (regardless of who has to follow it)

2) That the Catholic Church must follow this law just like anyone else.

 

Freedom of religion is in the constitution so Obama can not make regulations that would go against the constitution. If it was a life saving issue it would be different but this is not.

What gives Obama the right to demand what a company must provide with no co-pay?

 

So, your problem is that Obama is requiring anyone (whether a non-religious or religious employer) to provide something without a co-pay.

Your problem is then with the fact that this law exists at all, i.e. that anyone must follow it and your problem is not with the fact that the Catholic Church specifically must follow it.

 

This Christian also concurs.

In the immortal words of Captain Kirk -- why does God need a starship?

(Or a government?)

 

America is a nation of many religion, we value our Religious Freedom


even Mexico is more Christian then were are, they are 98% Christians... do we call them a Christian nation?
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I could care less if the US is 99% Christian, as long as they stay out of government.

 

My link shows a drop of 10% in Christianity from the years 1998 to 2008 from 86% to 76%.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...y-in-america-affect-the-future-of-this-nation

 

I'm atheist and I acknowledge that the U.S. is a christian nation. Stop lumping all atheist with the hateful ones.

Not all of us are teeth grinding biggots. *cough AMAZING ATHEIST cough*

 

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.

You will notice the word "separation" does not appear in the First Amendment. It does say "Congress shall make no law" .... respecting..... or ....prohibiting.... Displaying the Ten Commandments, a cross, saying a prayer etc were never prohibited by the Constitution. The early congresses held church on the house floor because there was not yet a church in Washington. The so called "wall of separation" is derived from a Jefferson letter to the Danbury Baptist Association where he said the founders put in the religion clause to create a wall of separation so the "government could not interfere with their church". Leftwingers, atheists, and self acclaimed intellectuals have bastardized the original intent.

You can also go to these 2 links below, then click your "ctrl" + "f" keys to open the search box and enter the word "separation" and then "separate" and you will find neither term anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

Text of the Constitution

Text of the Bill of Rights

I do respect religion, but I don't post this to take up for religion as I am agnostic, but I do wish people would seek the actual truth about our founding. It does take a lot of time but the propoganda war we are fed from both sides is not usually the whole truth.

 

One is correct from the perspective of literalism. Unfortunately, national jurisprudence is not based in literalism, but in loose constructionism. Read up on Reynolds v. United States as well as Lemon v. Kurtzman. These two court cases, in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association constitute the basis for separation of church and state.

 

I agree, but a huge number of the most outspoken atheists, even on this board are. You might start a completely non-related thread, or briefly mention "God" and one of them might show up to make fun of you just for being a Christian. Other than people like Westboro Baptist Church no one thinks this is acceptable, but they're trying to mainstream such a pathetic form of bigotry against people who don't share their views on religion.

 

AMEN!! I agree wholeheartedly!!

 

So because a majority are Christian that makes the US a "Christian nation"?

So because a majority are white, does that make it a white nation?

Yes or no.

 

Look, why would you be offended if you were mocked? If your belief is true, or not comical in its own way, why would you care?

And who said anyone has the right NOT to be mocked? Or laughed at? Blacks are being mocked all the time, so are asian, caucasian.

And plus, your belief is pretty funny, to say the least.

 

75% may claim to be "Christian" but there's a huge difference between how people answer THAT particular question in a poll and reality. But then again, it depends on what determines whether someone is actually a "Christian" or not. If imagining oneself to be a Christian simply because they were born in America and aren't some other religion and lean toward believing in the existence of the God of the Bible, then maybe. However, the Bible teaches that "the demons in hell believe in God - and tremble." If being a Christian entails attending a meeting once or more each week along with other "Christians, then it's possible - but still highly unlikely. I'm betting one in four American citizens don't even do that.

If being a Christian means being spiritually "born again" - "born in the spirit" (as Christ taught) and then devoting their lives to the teachings and kingdom of Jesus Christ (as the rest of the New Testament teaches), I know darned well that 75% number is the result of little more than self deception.

I won't quote Hitchens or Dawkins on this but I will allow the Christ in that loose term we call "CHRISTian" throw his two-cents worth in:

Somehow I get the impression that the "many" trudging along toward destruction, and those that "prophesy in His name", and "cast out demons in His name", and "in His name perform many miracles", wear the label "Christian" proudly, and would CERTAINLY answer in the affirmative when polled as to whether they are "Christian" or something else. But according to Jesus Christ, who probably is the only authority on who IS vs. who ISN't one of his flock, would disagree.

Sorry, but if you're going to try to paint this as a Christian nation on the basis a poll, even Jesus Christ himself implies that you're wasting your time.

 

Many people will self-identify as being Christian, but how many of those are practising their religion? In my old passport it says 'Roman Catholic' I haven't been inside a church for over 40 years.

 

I don't hate 'god'. What could be more stupid than hating something non-existant? Maybe a belief in something non-existant...?

 

Christianity has been technically illegal in the USA since 1991 when Congress and Bush I made the Talmudic Noahide laws the top policy in America.

This is why they are gradually getting rid of Christmas and such;

why there is a general smear of Christians in the media;

Why the US military has gone to great lengths since then to eliminate Christians from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia and now Syria;

Why habeas corpus has been abolished;

The Noahide laws guided the slaughter of innocents at Waco, Texas, and empowers politicians to tell any lie as long as the head Rabbi tells him to.........and to them, it is not a lie.

 

Then TheXL has little to worry about, because maybe 95% of whatever Christians are in the government are fake Christians more in harmony with the Talmud than Christ.

The same goes for the churches too.

And to top it all off, a large percentage of America's bountiful wealth has been and is being sacrificed to the gods of the Talmud.

 

That's it - they CLAIM to be . Its a claim , not an oath/testimony etc.


Non -Church going "nominal " quasi-psuedo "christians " Its called going along with the herd, like me , I was christened as an infant , attended the usual school lessons, fortunately parent did'nt drum - brainwash us , allowed us to learn how to think for ourselves . No childhood indoctrination. Since the existence /non-existence of a god remains in dispute , I cannot believe Jesus to have been son of a god, therefore would "claim " to b christian.

I suspect majority of americans along with most Western nations , rarely question/ examine their beliefs.

Omar


Oh, threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain--This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest are Lies;
The Flower that once has blown forever dies

The rest are lies.



All Glory be to our good Lord Dionysus - (wink)



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On the face of it, yes, absolutely. Anyone trying to fight the OP's statement is isn't paying close attention to terms.

However, beyond being founded on Chrostian principles, we are not a nation of Christian laws. We are not a fundamentalist society, but it doea frustrate me when Atheists attempt to change the meaning of separation of church and state. Heck, the first act of Congress was to order the importation of Bibles for distribution to the Army.

Now, when it is said that we are founded on Christianity, no one should protest. It doean't mean we are founded on the evangelical right's modeen views. It means simply this: we are founded upon the belief that our rights come from God, and thus the state has no authority to abridge our constitutional rights.

The alternative is that our rights come from the state, and so can be taken away by the state.