America is a Christian nation

Letting your children die when it could be easily prevented is criminal medical neglect. It is no different to letting your children starve when you have access to food. The right of the child outweighs the rights of the parents. For the child it is a matter of life or death, for the parents it is a matter of religious preference.

a) There are many laws I disagree with and would like changed however I do not believe I should be given a personal waiver due to my beliefs and neither should someone be given a religious exemption.

b) Laws should be based on fundamental right that are agreed upon. The Right to Life, to Free Speech etc. However, often these values come into conflict (e.g. shouting fire in a crowded theatre). In the case of these Jehovah's Witnesses, the child's right to life conflicted with the parents right to religious freedom, the life of the child trumps their religious preferences.

Why can't you answer a hypothetical? Would you allow FGM if it was a religious practice? Such a religion may be founded tomorrow. Would you permit it?

 

No, it's not. There actually is a written in caveat to criminal medical neglect, and refusing medical treatment because of religious faith is an exception.

 

Well, thankfully I live in a country which values the life of a child over the religious preferences of the parents.

 

And thankfully I live in a country where people have religious freedoms.

 

Well, that child would have no freedom in your land. The rights of its parents have outweighed its own rights. I stand for the individual.

 

Why do christians think that "liberal professors" run around "brainwashing" people into not believing in, or even hating God? Why do they not accept that they are responsible for the people not joining their religions? Why do they think that this "hated" of God translates into people "hating America"? For the record I am an atheist. I ended up questioning my Catholic upbringing back at about 5th or 6th grade and by 7th grade pretty much determined it was a joke. This, btw, was while I was going to a Catholic school. I've also served my nation, so I clearly can't hate the country that much, however I do not like the Republicans (nor the dems for that matter) and believe the right is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing awful. They are hypocrites who don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about freedom, economic sanity, or anything other than ensuring that people with little 'R's by their name are in charge. They're proving that again right now with Mittens!

Anyway if you want to get into brainwashing, that's exactly what religion does. "Believe this or be punished" is the motto of the christian and muslim religions. Families, friends, neighbors, and co-workers all over turn their backs on those who don't believe, don't trust those who don't believe, won't vote for those who don't believe, and why? Simple, they have been brainwashed by their faith to believe that only those of similar religious convictions (well maybe not similar but at least included in their group, Mormons are a great example) can be trusted, that only they can make good decisions, that anyone who doesn't believe is a bad person based on that fact alone. The religious alienate the non-religious then wonder why there is push back. They wonder why it is so vocal too, yet that's very simple. Fact is there is no proof of a god, and looking at it as if god doesn't exist makes the religious look like a bunch of crazy fools living in a fantasy land. That alone makes it difficult to deal with highly religious people, and when you add in the arbitrary hate, the attempts at conversion, the strange baseless rules, and the attempts at making or keeping law based on these foundless convictions, you can quickly see why atheist get pissed at their religious counterparts and don't really want to deal with them.

The point is you have to stop blaming everyone and look at yourselves. YOUR GROUPS ARE THE ONES DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THEM. Seriously you don't need someone to tell you to avoid the crazies, you just do it on your own.

Trends point the other way, religion is fading fast. It's a good thing too, one less arbitrary divide among people. The one, the only thing that worries me with religion fading from the main stream is charity. That's the one area I have respect for when it comes to religion, they try to do some good. Of course they're only doing so to convert people and fill their ranks, but the end is good.

 

I fail to see how letting your child die of a preventable illness really constitutes religious freedom. I'm also against mutilation at birth, something the religions of Abraham love so much.

 

No, clearly you stand for the power of the state.

 

You believe that the PARENTS' right to "religious freedom" is more important than the CHILD'S right to live. Pray tell, in your great concern for the right of religious freedom where is the CHILD'S right to religious freedom? Of course, you don't believe children should have any rights if it interferes with their parents' preferences. Quite sick really.

 

The problem is that you separate the family as two separate entities - parent and child. Who fathers the child? Who brings it into the world? Who feeds the child? Who bathes the child? Who shelters the child? Who clothes the child? Who raises the child? Who teaches the child? The one who bears the responsibility for the child bears the burden of decisionmaking for the child. You would have the statw not only be a substitute husband, but a substitute father.

 

The child and parent are two seperate entities. Both have their own rights and that includes the right to life. Can a parent beat a child? Rape a child? Kill a child? At what point do the CHILD'S rights kick in?

 

The McGovern Commission 1968-1972 established the New Left, effectively ending the New Deal Coalition. Driving away Blue-Collar Workers & Catholics who became Reagan Republicans, it added Feminists and Elite secular professionals and educators.

Conservative Democrats are loosing political ground, Blue Dog Democrats are fighting for survival in middle America. Democrat Bob Casey (PA) has emerged, leading the "Caseycrats" who find significant value in Christian Humanism.

In 1972, McGovern's loss of the Catholics and Working class was significant. Since the destruction of city bosses, their lineage was to the New Deal Coalition. THe New Deal Coalition was divergent and represented a multitude of wide ranging interests.

McGovern's Coalition in 1972 was exposed as nothing more than a Minority Alliance. The President has just that facing Reelection. He's divided the Country and Cannot Unite the various factions in his party, and he can't even begin to push for Independent Votes.

The failure of the McGovern Commission is why the Democratic Party cannot win Presidential Elections. It takes an epic failure (Watergate, 2008 Financial Crisis, Iraq War), or a New Democrat (Bill Clinton) to win.

One Nation Under God.

 

Although I am an Atheist, my rejection of the existence of god does not invalidate my religious philosophy, which is syncretic.

 

Right, the latest cause for college idiots who don't have a cause to protest. Now the biggest injustice that man faces is boy circumcision and it must be stopped! I know, let's call it mutilation and let's ignore the fact that most people don't circumcise their boys for religious purposes. Let's protest for the sake of protesting because we're liberal bubbleheads who need something to do.

 

What about letting people die, just because one's religion states that no blood transfusions are to be allowed? Yeah, that's clearly something someone would protest against because of lack of activities. And please, stop being insulting only because someone opposes your position, it really doesn't seem very Christian.

 

Christianity must be routed out of America. They are oppressive tyrants who deserve to be ridiculed and slandered at every chance.

 

I do not agree with that, many of the people I love and care about are Christians, good ones, I do though think we need a wall of separation between church and state, not just to protect non-Christians, but to protect Christians too, religious beliefs are a mater for the individual, not the government to push on it's citizens, the government should stay neutral in maters of faith


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Religion is important to certain factions of the Democratic Party. The radical Left's Agenda to uproot religion is going to force that party into extinction, or more specifically Issue Realignment to survive.

 

You do not see the damage christianity has done to America. Just look at the republican party...ALL of them want christian law in America. ALL OF THEM.

 

the religious right is nothing like the Christians I personally know, I do think those fanatical Christians are a problem and harming America with their push for a theocracy

the fanatical religious left (Blue Dogs) are not much better......


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Which is the ENTIRE replublican party.

 

not all of them, they did pick Romney, which the religious right is not happy at all about

 

Romney is another religious extremist. http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/259077-religion-bane-america.html

 

America is currently a Talmudic nation. Since 1991, when Congress passed the Noahide laws as local, national and international policy.

The so called Christians are mostly Judaized/Talmudized and busy endorsing ever more wars for their favorite team so that Jesus will hurry up and come to take them up in the clouds while the rest of humanity suffers and dies.

If Americans, Christian or othewise, don't repent for the rotten things we've been doing, then we won't be protected and we won't be resurrected.

 

I'm sorry sir, but your totally wrong. There are many of us that have no desire to push religious law on the country or it's people. But I do believe that trying to take the Christian belief away from our society has brought on the deterioration we see in this country today.