Is Turkey Sliding Towards Civil War?

I didn't write the article, I'm only quoting it. The amount sounds a little high to me, but numbers are thrown all about in that part of the word....

 

Erdoğan is secularist, ye mast be joking , why do your military men so unhappy in this case?

 

I was talking about Anatolia before the Turks started taking the region many centuries before WW1.

If Syria fall to the HATO sponsored Saudi Terrorists, Turkey will continue in the Muslim Brotherhood gang et. al.

You better hope the Israeli scheme to create a unified "Islamic region to justify a great war of "self defense" is stopped.

 

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/africa/453910-erdogan-secularism-angers-muslim-brotherhood.html
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/14/166814.html

 

Breath - You quote the following underneath the post:

Turkey is a paranoid culture, and your statement above proves it. While the Turks assume and accuse the small paramilitary from Greece of wanting to commit genocide on the Turks, rather than uniting it with Greece which was promised to them twice by Britain, they themselves commit genocide by attacking the small nation of Cyprus and massacring two thousand 'Christian' Cypriots that didn't manage to escape. What amazes me, is that an educated Turkish poster actually said that Turkey defeated Greece in that war, when Greece had never entered the war. It was a Nato supplied Turkish nation of seventy million, fighting a small unarmed nation with a population of eight hundred thousand.

One Turkish writer said after having attended a European school in Cyprus, and later on a Turkish one, that in Turkey history isn't taught, only fairy tales. This is probably why the Turkish people see everything through a very warped lense, and this is the disconnect they have with the rest of the world, especially the Europeans.

As for the Armenian genocide, no matter how much your government lies to their people; making them believe they are victimized, the truth exists in the U.S. Congressional Library. Because the area was predominantly Christian before the genocides, there were many American schools throughout Anatolia, so there are plenty papers and facts that attest to what was going on. So no matter how much lobbying and pressure is exerted on the U.S. government, these facts cannot be hidden. They are known by everyone except the Turks, so in a way we can say they are wearing blinders which warps their perception as to why they are seen a certain way.

I read an article by a Turkish columnist that had attended a 'Western' school in Cyprus, and then went to a Turkish school. He said that Turkish history is nothing but fairy tales...so if you want to know what really happened to the Armenians, and the Greeks in Anatolia, and learn about the policies followed by Turkey, not only by Attaturk but by the proceeding government, then I suggest you read Horton's, BLIGHT OF ASIA. He was the American Consul General in Smyrna at the time of the ethnic cleansing and massacres. It's on the internet: http://www.pahh.com/horton/

Horton wrote it to present the truth to the American people, and not the propaganda put out by Turkey. In order to combat the propaganda and present the truth of the attrocities being committed, Horton only quotes from Americans and Europeans with highly respected positions rather than the hundreds of stories told him by the Christian Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians living in the area.

 

You can't put all the blame on the Turks for killing the Christians, Greeks, Armenians, Kurds etc.

There was another entity that actuated the whole thing. It's called the Talmud and its devotees. Britain and the US consented to the killings.

 

no. it is a secular state. still.

 

its got nothing to do with the talmud.

its about the fact that whoever has control of turkey (especially istanbul) has strategic and trade advantages.

its been that way for centuries.

thats why the brits dragged us into their imperial war in 1914.

 

well ... maybe its your sources that you need to check to avoid posting crap.

the decision was also made in 2010 .... referred to Alevi (not alawites) and, as a matter of interest, Alevi are, strictly speaking, Muslims. Its a bit like a catholic protesting and claiming they refuse to be identified as Christian.

 

you have not been to turkey jeanette.

if you had, you would realise that turkish culture is definitely not paranoid.

it is far less paranoid than US, Israeli, Russian and British culture ... and also less so than Arab cultures.

and quite a few other places.

considering where turkey is, that says a lot for the turkish people.

 

My signature is only a basic reaction towards the unbreakable taboos and stereotypes. It's you who's paranoid and your words make it clear pretty well. You and your kind always accuse of same bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and always put those so-called "genocides" as excuse to for their actions against Turkey yet the guys you love talk about are far from being innoncent angels. The sole reason of division of Cyprus is Greek Cypriots themselves and their fantasies about uniting the island with Greece, aka ENOSIS, hence why they desired to exterminate Turkish Cypriot population. If Turkey didn't intervene Turkish Cypriots would share the fate as told by Nikos Sampson. Why does this bother you? It's his own words, I'm quoting a guy who you tend to praise. Turkey didn't just "invade" land, we acted based on treaties we signed by Greece, Cyprus, and the United Kingdom. These treaties are namely London and Zurich Agreement and Treaty of Guarantee, which rightfully gives us the right of intervene. I'm sure you heard of them, if not, then I pity you milady. EU even accepted Cyprus into club while it's also against Treaty of Guarantee, since it forbids Cyprus to join any kind of union. So sincerely, speaking based on legal wise, it's Greek Cypriots and Cyprus who violated a fair agreement for sake of their irrendist ideas, which justifies Operation Attila.

As for so-called "Armenian Genocide", my government doesn't lie to anybody else. They basically invited to Armenia to open up archives yet Armenia refused to do that and yet, they prefer to play it via political wise with help of the strong diaspora and lobby influence over other countries. Armenians back then cooperated with Russians and were armed by them, they didn't only attack army targets but also civilian population namely Turks and Kurds hence why CUP authorities decided to deport them (the similiar reason why "Christian" Greeks deported Cham Albanians), yet they were attacked by regional Turkish and Kurdish tribesmen and were eventually killed by them, while some of other also died because of sickness, starvation etc. I'm not as blind as you and I'm no man to deny Armenian casaulties, my government doesn't either, while Armenia neither recognizes and of Dashnak crimes, nor apologized for open support towards ASALA murders of Turkish diplomats. Why do they expect everyone to recognize the so-called genocide while they don't even recognize what they've done in Khojaly and always try to underestimate it? Isn't asking us to recognize so-called "Armenian Genocide" is hypocrisy, while Armenia isn't acting anything different than what you're accusing us of?

And finally, don't put the "It's just because they were Christians..." card to me. The government back (Young Turks/Jon Turks) then didn't have anything to with religion. Those issues has nothing to do with religion, it was rather an ethnic conflict. I've recently spoke with a Georgian myself and he was also sick of Armenia itself. So I don't buy this kind of cheap propaganda. The propaganda is what you hear from Armenian Lobby and it might have political use, but it doesn't represent facts or history.

 

Isn't it funny how they don't know how many Alevis in Turkey, and she also admits the source screwed numbers. Not only that, it's a source that doesn't even realize Alawites and Alevis are two different kind of people, how pathetic.

 

Talk about re-writing history! What on earth would be the benefit to Jews, Britain and the USA to having a million and a half Turkish minorities killed by the Turks? Ivan88 is really tossing out the truth when he makes a statement like that!

 

Throw in the fact Turkey has a fast-growing Kurdish minority in the southeast portion of their country and you could have a three-way fracas going.