Sensible attitude to sex drives Dutch teen pregnancy rate to record low

I agree that we can't keep sex in the closet and information is a good thing. My question is where does it stop.l Herion is sold on the streets of Amsterdam openly. Do we want that. Have you every been around a strung out drug addict. it isn't pretty. Lets applaud them for the low pregnancy rate and move on.

 

We have heroin addicts on our streets.

 

Originally Posted by Leffe

We need to punish teenage girls who become pregnant? Christ almighty!

????

 

At the rate you are going there won't be any ethnic Dutch left in another 100 years - just an ocean of brown and black foreigners.

Keep up the good work, maybe you can achieve this result in fewer than 100 years!!!

 

I'll bet that response took quite some thought! Eh buddy?

Well done!

Don't address the OP, no no no! Just state any old bollcoks that comes to mind.

 

What didn't you understand?

 

Check out "Lets Talk About Sex" on Netflix. Its a documentary that echos what you just said.

THe religious right is responsible for our cesspool.

 

I quite disagree that this is their burden alone. I blame reality television that makes teen moms with 10x the drama of ordinary teens "stars". I blame a society that is so unloving and sick that teens look for love in the wrong places.

There are teens in the US that know about birth control and choose to get pregnant. Some...even to get on television.

[video=youtube;zfhk6n13FXg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfhk6n13FXg[/video]

 

We have been saying this for years, but still they think abstinence is best.

 

I think many of the foreigners discussing US teen pregnancy rates don't understand what counselors are contending with. They think birth control is the answer because they are under an assumption that teens don't want to get pregnant and its an accident. I'm sure in a lot of cases it is, but...then you have this stuff:

[video=youtube;C7h5qgC1qac]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7h5qgC1qac[/video]

[video=youtube;SJxeJm351rM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxeJm351rM[/video]

[video=youtube;Ay7baFBpgwk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay7baFBpgwk&feature=related[/video]

 

^I was actually desperate for a baby before I turned 16. That was my greatest wish for many years. I didn't know who the father would be, but I wanted a baby that badly. It never happened, and 12 years later, its one of my biggest regrets. I probably won't find someone to settle down with and raise a family, so if I had followed my dream all those years and not chickened out, I'd be the mother of a 12 year old child - hopefully a girl, whom I had decided to call Lucy.

I know how these kids feel. Even a teen can have such strong maternal urges they are hard to ignore.

 

Mak, a child brought up by a 16 year old single mother....is not a good thing for the child...especially when they get older. Perhaps a 16 year old's wish to possess a baby is a selfish and self centered attitude. Which...is typical of 16 year olds.

 

Oh, you don't know that. Your country produces Grade A dudes.



I'm just alarmed that we have a nation of youth that are so lost that they crave this attention and affection no matter the cost. Yes, yes, there are kids who have accidental pregnancies, but I knew so many girls in my neighborhood for whom it was purposeful. They wanted someone to love them.

 

http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/bevolking/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2011/2011-3322-wm.htm

There's your source.

And it isn't the abortions among teenagers that are the problem. It is the abortions among women 20 - 30 which nealry twice as high that among teenagers that is causing the collapse of the Native Dutch population.

 

Sadly, I have to agree.

 

What could be done about a person who WANTS to get pregnant?

 

Why you didn't answer my question:

Originally Posted by Leffe

We need to punish teenage girls who become pregnant? Christ almighty!

 

The religious Right know that their policies in general only impact the poor and they like the poor to remain desparate, it keeps them in their box, preoccupied with the consequences of someone elses philosophy.

 

Please elaborate about the "collapse of the Dutch population".

Tell me more about this, use statistics and compare to other Western countires.

Thanks

(PS Without elaborating, your comment is yet another throw-away comment, which no one will listen to).

 

This chart is from your link:

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It clearly shows that non-ethnic Dutch in the NL are having significantly more abortions, i.e. LESS children by mothers aged 15-44, so where are you getting the "colapse of the Dutch" from?

Up your own arse I suspect.

 

Furthermore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Netherlands
Major ethnic: Dutch 80.07%
Minor ethnic: EU 5%
Indonesian 2.4%
Turkish 2.2%
Moroccan 2%
Surinamese 2.%
Netherlands Antilles/Aruba 0.83%
Other 8.36%

 

Yes, we do need to punish them. They are a drain on society and they rarely end up living up to their proper role in life afterwards. They do get some level of punishment simply from having a child without a stable home but not to the degree I believe is necessary. My bigger problem is that we as a society do not punish the other person in the equation to any significant degree..... the father of the child.

 

On top of their already poor circumstances, what form of additinoal punishment would you like to see?

And, why would you chose a path which results in far more people requiring punishment? Why not simply follow the path which results in less of these mistakes and tehrefore less of your punishment?

It sounds kinda saddistic to be honest.

 

That is the problem most school counselors are now facing, Johnny-C. My friend works in the Bronx and was telling me that they hand out all sorts of information, but the girls there simply don't want to use birth control because they actively want to get pregnant by their boyfriends.

Before doing what I do now, I used to write charters. I took the job so I could travel a bit. I would go to NGOs and write these things and move on. What I learned clearly was that every country has a culture and what works programmatically in one country to solve a problem does not necessarily work in another. The US does have a lot of teens who still have an "oops", but we also have a growing number of teens that aren't having an oops and want to have babies.

All the sex ed on birth control won't make a difference for them.

We aren't the Netherlands.

 

That's not liberalism, it's common sense.

However you pointed out that many young teenage couples end up with a "steady partner" just out of their teen years - that I do not think is healthy, because young people at that age are immature and shouldn't be settling down with a dedicated partner - they should be dating and meeting new people, and getting a more diverse perspective on potential relationships - rather than just rushing headfirst into marriage with some "teenage sweetheart".

Personally I don't think anyone under 30 should think about settling down with a "life partner", but that's just me.