Importance of Factories in USA. Get -->AMERICA<-- working again.

Speaking on behalf of every Employer and Business Owner still left in this country.......

.......The Anti-Outsourcing Bill only makes this country more Anti-Business.

Sign the front of a paycheck someday and buy a clue........the very last thing US Business Owners need is more Liberal Regulations, Taxes, Fees, Fines, and Penalties.

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EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM needs to take a minute to respect TRS. I am 35 and couldn't vote in 1994. Thank you TRS for informing us voters on such an important topic and how long it has been going on. THIS is the reason I spend 99% of my time on these forums talking to complete idiots that don't know a thing about America to gain information.

 

Can you scroll back and read the thread? We are only 22 posts in and I have provided about 10 threads from both parties to ensure it isn't a bias perspective to prove it. I won't post it again, you should do some work too.

 

Have you heard yourself lately? Extremeist much? Did you read the post at all? I doubt it, Republicans don't read posts, they read titles.

 

THAT IS FACT. Thank you for not being stupid.

 

Day 1 in politics says "check your source". Do you mind telling me the source of that poll please

 

I'm seriously blown away that this has been a problem for longer than I have been interested in politics. Much respect for TRS.

Step 2 is how do we fix it? We are living in EXACTLY what his post said we would live in.

Mitt Romney's plan to increase outsourcing= Nope, we aren't stupid. IT'S ON HIS WEBSITE! INCREASE FREE TRADE! (Though he recently changed the wording)

 

Kind of like every business in world history.....unless said business was a Charity.....
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I noticed you dodged my question. Are you afraid of something?

 

EVERYONE has seen local factories close up or cut workers. Not many care because most people don't work in factories.

AMERICA THRIVES ON FACTORIES.....or did. When Republican greed took over, America was all over. The worst part is that America is going to vote for it again. I'm embarassed to be American today.

 

Manufacturing is indeed important, but until you roll back the regulations, US manufacturing cannot compete.

 

I'm not interested in articles about the bill, I want to read it. I tried to find it myself, but I give up now. I assumed, since you have been talking about what the bill would have accomplished, that you had read it, and would be able to at least tell me what the title is. I looked at all of the articles you linked to and read through most of them, and none of them even bother to give the name of the bill. When I search govtrack.us for bills introduced by Schumer in 2010 none of the titles I see look like the bill you're talking about. I need the title of the bill or its number, (S. XXXX).

 

Again, you didn't read the thread. Republican title readers............

Children work for next to nothing overseas. The only way America can compete is if we ensure products coming in follow the same qualifications as products going out. This will level out the system.

 

I have been trying to find it also. There is no doubt that both parties have been talking about it, my posts were from both perspectives. There is no doubt that it happened, we just don't know the name. The only name I found consistantly was "Anti-Outsourcing Bill" of 2010. If you find the actual name tell me. Until then, there is no doubt Republicans voted for more outsourcing and Democrats voted for less. FACTS.

 

We don't know that. In fact it's kind of silly to assume that anyone wants outsourcing of jobs for the sake of outsourcing. Elected legislators sponsor bills for purely political reasons all the time. Judging by what I've read about it, the bill wouldn't do much to discourage outsourcing, and the process for gaining or losing the tax deduction is very complex. What I like about it is that it is, in some sense, a tax cut. But I don't see outsourcing as the problem that you do. It is the result of a very high standard of living here compared to where those jobs go. Since there is no limit to the amount of goods and services that people will want, every single unemployed person could, in principal, go to work doing something, it's just a matter of what. The government can help, since it has done so much to discourage employment, by relaxing regulations. But people must find what kind of work the employed section of the market will pay for. We are still recovering from the housing bubble burst and the tech bubble burst, and the market never fully corrected from either one, so we are still in some kind of bubble. Interest rates are still at effective zero with no increase in sight. Banks are sitting on enough reserves to increase the amount of money in the market by about eight fold. Other than that, the conditions which exist now are the same as those which existed in the 1930s. The government is throwing everything it has at the economy and the economy is not responding. Resources need to be reallocated, and the market can't find where to put them because there is so much confusion in the market. Regulations need to be relaxed in all sectors of the market so that people can figure out what to make and what new services to sell.

 

Poof, there you go again, the progressive right pointing nasty little fingers at the progressive left. It is a hoot! Yet if a factory job is the best you got to offer I'll keep what I have, not like there isn't at least 100 various factories I can get a job at now but why would anyone want to work at a factory??? That is what Malaysia is made for, yea try to keep up with the times, it seems as though China is loosing this battle also, like the Chinesse are waking up an saying (*)(*)(*)(*) let the Malaysian's do those jobs!

 

The problem isn't that we need factories, its that we have a huge population of unskilled workers not suited to doing anything else... We don't need factories, in fact most developed countries should be happy to be rid of them. The developed world has high safety standards, which cuts right to the bottom line, high payroll requirements, huge environmental requirements, the list goes on. We need a developed work force to service, manage, and maintain products that are shipped here.

Wait, there are some things we do need to produce ourselves though, that being high end luxury items, and all of our defense equipment. In those cases its worth paying the additional costs. We simply don't need to make crap items here, the cost is too high for the value of the products.

 

Oh for the love of life, no we need people to start doing something for themselves once more. Yea we got to keep the Defense Industry well oiled no matter how much harm it does to our society.

Warehousing now takes a developed workfoce? Give me a break! Yet it wouldn't be a bad thing, warehouse space can be had on the cheap and maintaining most of items is not that hard. Yet it is already being done, yes individuals that have the ability to drag themselves out of bed on their own action is participating in this field already, as in high dollar exercise equipment, or chairs that float over the steps for the handicap. Yet I'm sure you think it is "Big Business" that is only able to do it, I hope not but....I'm rather jaded with most so called conservatives around this place of late.

 

Something else that may help you in the future, most Americans I know don't like being insulted by the left or by the right. I suppose since I seen you suggest such things before but the idea is not to go down the road "Class Priviledge", no matter how one does it. One thing we started stamping out in the Revolution, we really don't need to go back. It is clearly your main intent is to put yourself above others, it really shows. I would find better words to suggest things like to "everyman harvest to his ability", see it sounds better. Then we know you are dumbarses so listen to us we know better, sounds like Obama talk to me. One of the reasons why I really can't support Romney even though I never heard him sound as elitist as you at times.

 

This is because Bush had a soft spot for Mexicans, being related to a few so he didn't do anything about it.

No. he didn't pass the dream act. He simply turned America into a "Sanctuary Nation" by refusing to enforce the law.

 

Factory jobs are never coming back and will continue to shrink no matter who is President.

We're not going to waste efficiency and money on dirty factories just so the left side of the bell curve can feel gainfully employed.

 

Well agree to disagree. Of course this won't fix outsourcing but it stops the promotion of it. And Bush wrecked our economy no matter how much you want to blame it on anything else. Look at charts and statistics. Day 1 the economy fell off an 8 year cliff.

 

Again, neither party is enforcing the law. I choose the president that gets them paying taxes and contributing to society.

You are wrong. The Dream Act got voted down by the stonewalling Right, because of their childish "stonewall everything" games. Obama pushed through basically the same bill on his own. It's said it should target about 800k people. That's a lot of potential Income tax. Republicans are against this because it takes away the cheap labor.

 

Bull (*)(*)(*)(*). That is just a convenient excuse for Obama's miserable failure as a President. There isn't an American alive hardly who doesn't think that a real leader of quality wouldn't have turned us around with in 4 years. Reagan's recession was just as bad as this one. Worse in some statistics. History has already passed judgement woody, and by all standards that truly matter. Obama's policies are not conducive to rapid economic growth and are failed policies in need of a "reboot".

Higher Taxes prevent jobs from being created.

Obamacare prevents jobs from being created.

A business hostile NLRB and other alphabet attack dogs prevent jobs from being created.

Fear of debt and long term fiscal security of the company and the nation itself prevents jobs from being created.

Day 1 of a Mitt Romney Presidency the stock market would explode upward and people would be back to work within 6 months to a year. Not because of any particular Mitt Romney policy, but merely because Obama's socialist populism is out of office for good. The fact is economic growth should be fostered as Goal Number ONE and any thing else including environmentalism, gay civil rights, income inequality, suffering of the poor, etc. should be completely and totally secondary to booming economic growth.

 

And there is why America is failing. If you have read the thread and you still think Factories aren't needed there is no need to argue more with you. You are locked tight in your party and everything it stands for and don't care how many people get killed or put out of work as long as you WIN.