rejection of climate change theory closely linked to conspiracy ideation

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  1. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    You do know that the trees being burnt up and all the green grass being burnt up is in the last book of the bible do you not?
    And also famine, disease, death and war?

    Even your own book predicts it.
     
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    "Climate change denier" is just the left-wing equivalent of "socialist" or "Marxist" - just a meanlingless term.

    Most people aren't actually in denial of climate change itself, just of the left-wing assertion that specific laws and regulations are necessary to reduce climate change. Left-wingers try to assert that anyone opposed to their "green policies" is just denying the existence of climate change altogether. Which they aren't'.
     
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    Actually, this and other Sci-Tech threads at PF are all tied up, with guys who write, how our weather and climate behave, according to natural cycles, without regard to the greenhouse effect OR how humans variously caused CO2 AND industrial GHGs to rise, in concentration, which caused warming, to cause out-gassing, of more CO2 and CH4, from secondary sequestered sources.

    I don't like the media leftists' ideas, to keep drugs, including hemp illegal, but to impose further regulations, on industry, without regulating FRACKING, which pollutes, big-time. Of course, media leftists are just 2nd-team Republicans, anyway. They like to run around, do ineffectual things, take money for that, and let the pubs get elected, even though Democrats completely out-number Republicans.

    If you don't feel scammed, you haven't been watching all the flap, for long.
     
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    I am sorry for the mental state of beliers in hemp and medicine imposed fantasies reported by me here: http://www.politicalforum.com/scien...ed-conspiracy-ideation-20.html#post1061679008

    I am sorry for you not being able to comprehend and address my post and points quoted by you and even less to comprehend points made in “my book” . I am sorry for you having no knowledge or understanding of “my book” as I pointed here http://www.politicalforum.com/scien...ed-conspiracy-ideation-20.html#post1061679008

    I am sorry , but what can I do.
     
  5. bobgnote

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    Quit cutting English, since you don't have the fine mind, of a scientist.

    That last sentence had a comma, in it. Whoop!
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If everything fails, you are in a better position than I am. If not, financially I am probably in a better position.

    Using game theory, which one would you vote on? I would vote on you.
     
  7. danielpalos

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    We know Ice Ages occur and glacial periods and inter-glacial periods occur. Therefore, climate change must happen or our fossil record would be much different.
     
  8. bobgnote

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    /\ /\ We also know the GREENHOUSE EFFECT is real. We know CO2 not only rose, faster than it ever took off, before, but so have CH4 and industrial GHGs. H2O will follow along, per humidity.

    We know temperatures have been way warmer. We know that is where we are headed. We also know, whenever CO2 takes off, too fast for organisms to adapt, a mass extinction event happens. Ours will be Mass Extinction Event 6.

    Humans are likely, to be one of the endangered species, unless humans adapt a whole lot better, than I see them adapting.

    What is this idiocy, about no climate change? Heard of EL NINO? ENSO? More El Nino vs. La Nina events are happening. High temp records just went, from 2-1, 2010, to 3.5-1, 2012.

    This will likely ebb and flow, but hey. The perennial ice is all melting. While the northern cap ice fails, temperatures will move around. Still, more heat and water are in the climate system.

    Only a complete idiot couldn't see how warming is resulting, in uneven distribution of increases, in heat and precipitation, as the Earth's climatic system goes through the throes, toward runaway global warming and a fast onset, of related die-offs.
     
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    We dont know that. One guy wrote a paper a few years ago. A paper which ignores other more probable and even known explanations of previous extinction events.
     
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    I don't think I could reasonably vote on either one of us...too many variables. Besides, being the bright person I know you are... you well know you are never entirely secure.

    I can reasonably guess you are better off finacially...simply because if I manage to get myself in better shape I will spend the money on more land. There are 15.6 acres within walking distance of my home, fenced on three sides, with a pond and electricity. I drool every time I go past it.

    Since I do not borrow...it may take me a while.
     
  11. Hoosier8

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    Well, you can't go wrong buying land and not going into debt.
     
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    Water supply is already critical in some areas and becoming a problem in many other areas. Every day we have increased population and more demand on our resources. Most of us just take for granted, without an ounce of thought, that we turn on the spigot and water always flows...this means we are complacent on this issue. Every city should turn off the public water supply for one day each year as an awareness exercise! Even knowing this is only an exercise, a majority of people will surely (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan about the myriad of inconveniences...
     
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    As I have pointed in the post you are replying to http://www.politicalforum.com/scien...ed-conspiracy-ideation-20.html#post1061679008
    believers in evolution do not have an ability to say “I know”. It is physically impossible for them. They are physically capable to say “we know” only.

    As I pointed to you ladies and gents the belief in evolution is a mental disability. Evolutionists I mean believers in climate change are as afraid of saying “I know” as a mentally disordered person is afraid of taking shower or brushing his teeth. In the result they just stink.

    One more time: let me try a little therapy. You are a person. You are your own person. You live your own life and then you will die. These two events do not depend from anything people who you think are smarter than you say or tell you. It is still your own life and your own death. Scientists are not in charge of these two events. Neither you are. But you can try to walk on your own. Take a step. You will not die. And if you will you know you still will die no matter if you take a step on your own or not.

    How do you ( a unique person danielpalos
    ) know Ice Ages occur and glacial periods and inter-glacial periods occur?
    I am not even asking to try to address the points made by me which show that that there has been no climate change.

    Asking a believer in Flying Spaghetty Monster, I mean evolution, I mean global warming, I mean greenhouse effect, I mean backforce radiation, I mean an overwhelming majority of the scientific community, I mean experts of OP to address my points would be too much, I understand that.Just try to do a little step on your own.
     
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    In my opinion, it is just another reason why we should focus on advancing our knowledge of structures, such that we can place habitation anywhere on our planet, and even our solar system.
     
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    In my opinion, we should be better off through advances in water reclamation technologies.
     
  16. danielpalos

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    I believe you may be exaggerating. Evolution has already been proved. It is only the origin of species that is still controversial.
     
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    With exponential growth in population, water, food, and much of our energy will become more scarce. This means that lifestyles will have to change to adapt. Exponential growth in the economy may not be possible with shortages.
     
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    We are already living beyond our hunter gatherer means. It is only advances in those Arts and Sciences which keeps us where we are now.
     
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    When humans are a LOT smarter, we can worry about what to do, to some other planet.

    When humans are smart enough, humans won't be fracking, to mess up water supplies, while putting other people in prison for pot, but rather, people will be growing HEMP, without penalty.

    When humans are smart enough, we will re-green deserts and polluted areas.

    The US Navy is already smart enough, to have algae biomass fuel, coming in, at about $2 per gallon, headed for $1 per gallon.

    You have to watch out, for that other Navy, you know, the one with the killer Admiral, who tried to help the GW Bush Admin. start war with Iran.

    You have to watch out, for LBJ's Navy, which sent the USS Maddox, into North Vietnamese waters, to start a shootout, and then claim the North Vietnamese started this.

    When we are smart enough, the Republicrats will boot Israel, and Mayor Villareigoso won't cheat, at plebicites.
     
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    As populations increase, as industry increases, greater demands are made on the resources; IMO more potable water supply must be created and distributed...
     
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    I agree with you that we can use state-of-the-art infrastructure more than we need a wasteful, War on Drugs.
     
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    Personally, I am dubious about climate change. Having said that, if it were provable what are we to do about it?

    The last I heard China was putting one new coal fired power plant on line every week. We have no control over their policies.
     
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    So the USA might as well start adding one new coal plant each week?

    It's okay if I litter trash on the highways because I see that other people are doing it.

    BTW; China is quite aware of global climate change and pollution issues and is taking steps to mitigate. You might also ask yourself what has the USA done to cut back on CO2 and other GHG emissions? Lastly, if climate change causes critical survival problems, including economic problems in the USA, don't you think that these identical problems will plague China and all other nations?

    The bottom line of our current do-nothing mentality is that all of us are hell-bent on making money! No one wants to interrupt the sweet smell of money! We cannot possibly be proactive because it will cost something. If the other nation is not doing something why should we?

    If Obama and this nation had even miniature cajones, they would at least force a world-wide dialogue about the POTENTIAL of global climate change! It's kind of like the stupidity of nuclear weapons; the US won't give one up unless other nations give one up...meanwhile nothing changes and 10,000 nukes still exist.

    The United States of America is supposed to be a world leader; what happened?
     
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    We allowed the government to get too big and powerful.
     
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    FYI this study is being ripped apart.

    Check out climate audit for all of the funny details.

    http://climateaudit.org/

    The activist posing as a scientist essentially asked a bunch of warmmonger blogs to host the survey and the warmmongers faked their answers trying to come off a skeptics. Of course they are so over the top in their answers that they come off as a caricature.
     

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