rejection of climate change theory closely linked to conspiracy ideation

For a long time I have believed that climate change deniers I talk to on the web seem like conspiracy theorists.

seems the research supports this.

being a "free market" ideologue also seems to increase a person's likelihood of being a climate change denier - but not as much as being a conspiracy theorist does.

http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu....yetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf

 

It's simple...political, religious and personal bias today can trump facts and truth.

What is a conspiracy? It's a refusal to accept known facts and truths.

I like the arrogance factor as well in which people believe they are smarter than those who dedicate their lives to focused technical studies in their areas of interest. We can discount an astrophysicist if their research/theories/opinions conflict with our religious or political beliefs.

How can we ever have open public dialogue about global climate change and peak oil, for example, if most people see these phrases as toxic?

Lastly, we in the USA at least, have become the do-nothing population. This means we won't do anything unless it instantaneously can benefit me-me-me. We seem paralyzed in suggesting any form of perceived sacrifice; like higher taxation, lower government services, drive less, install alternative energy, less farting, plant a tree, etc. etc. etc. Whatever it is we want it...but whatever it costs we refuse to pay...interesting logic??

 

AGW and climate change deniers really are like gays, passing HIV, by shooting speed and banging, without condoms, and I hope I don't EVER get called a spammer, for having to point this out, until deniers fade, from the Earth.

Demiers really are like smokers, who won't admit to lung cancer.

People who offer AGW theory and point out climate change aren't helped, by the way guys like Al Gore or Barack Obama or James Hansen or the UN get involved. These clowns admit to AGW, they predict climate change, to a degree, but they don't predict or explain, enough, and then, they REALLY BLOW IT, for everyone, by offering up carbon trading scams.

These geeks are every bit like bath-house owners, who raise the price of admission, but then offer coupons, to guys who come in, to shove their doses of HIV into somebody else.

And then in the unguarded door walk the frackers, to claim natural gas is cleaner, than coal, and so what? Then they pretend the wells don't leak.

Frackers are exactly like meth dealers, who bring free needles, into a bath-house, with a bogus claim, how their crank doesn't pass the dose, like other vice media.

We have no end of bath-house geekery, complete with virtual towel-snapping contests. Close 'em down, at last!

What is really happening is Mass Extinction Event 6, complete with accelerating warming and climate change, as of 2030-2050, whenever GHGs are concentrated enough, and the northern cap ice melts, enough, to allow failure, of the northern ice albedo, so more solar energy gathers, in the climate system, every northern summer.

Then we'll be dead, and our children may be doomed. We don't need carbon trader geeks, to pretend the drug war needs to continue, particularly when the drug war bans industrial hemp, as a Schedule I CS.

Try this, for hypocrisy: crank, crack, and smack are Schedule II CS. You KNOW hemp is where pot comes from, but the reason it is Schedule I is because hemp also is resource, for food, fuels, and building materials, in a way, which competes with timber and fossil fuels, right away, successfully.

The Democrats and Republicans have been cheating us and our children, so we may not issue survivors.

 

Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory is a conspiracy theory. There is no proof of it or if there were, it would no longer be called a theory.

 

Forty years ago I was told that we needed to have Zero Population Growth
Thirty five years ago I was told we should be worried about global cooling.
Thirty years ago I was told to switch to plastic bags so we wouldn't have to cut down all those trees.
This year, my city council banned plastic bags and told us to use paper.
Now, we're told to worry about global warming.
Now we see the population is leveling off.

So, I wonder what other alarm bells will be rung before I leave this mortal coil.
One of the oldest trick in the book is to use scare tactics as a method of population control.

I love the term I heard recently, The Watermelons, green on the outside...

 

Ummm, PN, when we sciencey people have a theory, which has a well-tested hypothesis, that theory becomes generally accepted.

AGW is one of THOSE.

Did you read the other posts, at this thread or others, in science or environment sub-forums?

Not only is AGW happening, but Mass Extinction Event 6 is happnin', d'ya think? In FACT, any time CO2 goes up fast, but not as fast as it's rising today, the Earth suffers a big old MASS EXTINCTION EVENT, one of five, so ours is Mass Extinction Event 6!

I have a theory! Want to know, what comes after FIVE? I bet you can guess. But it's just a theory.

Other theories, at this very thread:

HIV leads to an even worse dose.

Smoking cigarettes leads to all kinds of cancer.

Fall down? Go SPLAT!

 

a fine example of what the researchers in the OP were referring to

 

and another.

 

Science is not done on consensus so I look at the evidence. Is man affecting the environment? No doubt in my mind at all.
Does that mean we are on the edge of catastrophe and need to DO SOMETHING NOW,

Of course not.
The scare mongering is tiring and not needed, you're just scaring the children unnecessarily.

And just so you understand how the government feels about pollution, they are one of the largest, if not the largest polluter in the world today, so they speak a fine game but they don't believe a word of it. Imagine how much pollution would disappear if the military quit making weapons and then blowing them up, using tons and tons and tons of oil to make all that happen.

So sure, the earth changes. There was a little ice age 400 years ago. Now we are out of that, but you can't say what will happen next, and pretending you know is hubris at its finest

Sorry to be so suspicious, but as indicated, I've heard it all before, and each time my BS meter got more and more active. You can only be scared so many times before you run out of adrenalin

 

Perhaps the "solution" to GW is what seems like the conspiracy, which then casts suspicion on the science. Too much CO2? MY first thought would be, "well, we need more plants". But what do the pushers of AWG say is the answer? A new tax! On an element! Hmmm...

 

and another example.

 

and yet another!

 

you are clearly an example of what the research cited in the op is referring to.

its not about government.

its about science.

you - like so many others in the denier camp - continue to ignore evidence, pretending THAT is the conspiracy.

 

So you think that a tax on a common element is the proper way to address the situation, or is your keyboard just stuck on "and yet another"?

 

i think your discussion of that "common element" iindicates that you are dismissing the science on the basis that you believe the whole thing to be a conspiracy.

 

My discussion of that element is due to the proposed tax on it, perhaps you've heard? As I said, the "solution" is what seems to be the conspiracy. If there is a problem with excess CO2, I hardly think that robbing people is the answer.

 

since I live in a country which already has a carbon tax I probably know better than you what "carbon tax" means ...

but your posts seem to argue that more carbon is a good thing for the planet, despite what scientists of many disciplines, have been saying for decades.

why do you dismiss the science?

 

My posts in no way say that "more carbon is good for the planet". In fact, I'm pretty sure that, as an element, the amount of carbon on the planet is fixed and constant. That's the science as I recall it, unless some new alchemy has been discovered.

 

Six. It's a fact, not a theory.

 

There you go.

Some theories are grounded in facts, such as AGW happened, given some species set fire to anything flammable, introduced invasive species to vulnerable environs, and after awhile, this species invented and deployed CHAINSAWS. I've handled one of these rascals. They are a fact.

But can deniers be counted on? I dunno. When obtuse people get really fluffed up, they just get way more obtuse.

Deniers get into anything. Religion, flat-earth theories, no meteorite theories, no moon landing theories, no cancer from smog theories, no AIDS from bath-house gangstas theories, etc.

Hey, but AGW? It's here, and skepticism doesn't exist. Denial does exist. And here is Mass Extinction Event 6. Let's see how much more gay bath-house type denial holds up a response, to M.E.E.6.

 

Conspiracy nuts impart canonicity to any information which supports their prejudices - which of course is precisely what the OP is doing.

The author has got to be a low level bureaucrat, because I just can't feature a Down's Syndrome victim posting anything this retarded.

 

A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.

Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.


What do you have to say now about SCIENTIFIC THEORY?

 

I'm curious, regarding the bold above, if you might share your data which leads YOU to YOUR conclusion/theory that we're not on the edge of anything regarding global climate changes?

BTW; none of this discussion about global climate change and other pending world issues is about 'scaring' people. This apparently is something you perceive. The gathering and sharing of information is to allow YOU to study, research, rationalize, and decide how YOU are part of the problem or not, and if you are, whether or not you can stop your self-serving behavior long enough to make a positive difference. Any idiot can simply ignore this stuff but smarter people will take the time to try to understand the potential of new information that is available to us...

 

Do you think the environment changes when this stuff is removed from it's sequestration below the Earth's surface and allowed to flow freely in the atmosphere which just happens to be shared by all living creatures?

When we extract coal and oil, process it, and burn it, can't you imagine the following environment is a bit different from the time when all of that stuff was sequestered in the ground?