Obama or Romney? What's the difference?

Lord, have mercy. There is a world of difference. Regardless of what people may say or think it is clear that Obama is a dyed in the wool socialist/Marxist. There is not a scintilla of doubt about that. Romney may have his faults, but he certainly isn't that. Obama hasn't even gone so far as to run a lemonade stand. He is clueless about business and doesn't give a hoot either. All he cares about is his socialist agenda being imprinted on the U.S. so it cannot be undone. His father was a flat out communist and Obama hung out with the most radical of the radical in his youth. He is a plague on this nation and will with another four years bring us to our knees. I've followed politics or 60 years dating back to Truman. I have NEVER seen a more dangerous president that Obama. God help us if he is reelected.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...eatens-to-expose-real-obama-agenda.htm?p=full

 

No one doubts there are ideological differences and that they both had different life experiences. What matters is what difference there be between their performances in office. Unless a president has a controlling house and senate, it is difficult for them to make any real large changes. With such consideratins taken into account, the difference between the two is minimal, except possibly on foreign policy and a potential iran conflict.

 

Here's something to consider.


I bet some of you would be surprised if you took this test and saw where you ended up, but this chart is something to consider anyway. There is little difference between Obama and Romney, the difference is almost margin of error.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 <<<link to the site for more info.

 

Taxes:
Romney would make the Bush tax cuts permanent, add a 20% income tax cut on top of that, eliminate the estate tax, and make $200k of investment income tax free.
Obama would repeal the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250k, and maintain the estate taxes.

Obamacare
Mitt would repeal Obamacare.
Obama would enforce Obamacare.

Military:
Romney will increase military spending.
Obama will trim military spending.

Abortion:
Romney would severly limit a woman's right to an abortion
Obama would protect a woman's right to an abortion.

Safety net programs.
Romney propose big but unspecified cuts in these programs.
Obama favors defending these programs.

Financial regulation:
Romney supports lesser regulation
Obama supports greater regulation

Energy:
Romney favors more drilling and big oil
Obama favors more efficiency and alternatives

The environment
Romney favors a free market approach
Obama favors protecting the environment.

Maybe none of these issues are important to folks, but it seems like a clear choice to me.

 

Obama or Romney? What's the difference?

One has brains. The other is a republican.

 

"Obamacare
Mitt would repeal Obamacare.
Obama would enforce Obamacare."

Taxcutter says:
That's enough right there.

 

What a completely unbiased analysis.

Most of the above requires a majority vote from the House and Senate and only a signature from the president. Good luck. What these two men end up producing would likely be similar unless there is a surprise change in the congressional balance.

 

This map does not make sense. Mitt Romney is more centrist. Obama is authoritarian-left. Gary Johnson Is Libertarian center-left. Virgil Goode is nowhere near that authoritarian.

 

I took and it put me exactly where I belong, and its a pretty neutral test, most people trust it. In the link I posted under the map they have an explanation of why they put those guys where it did. Before you dismiss it, you should probably read that, so that you know what they're actually saying. Its pretty hard to successfully rebut an argument you're not familiar with. But here I'll make it easy for you:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 <<<<link again

 

I don't understand his metrics. Libertarian emcompasses more than social issues, but ok, I see now that his right to left is just economic, and that his up and down is just social. That sort of explains Virgil Goode. However, even with his metrics, I do not see how Gary Johnson is in the center between Authoritarian and Libertarian, and I certainly don't see how Obama and Romney are on the right economically. Regardless of the rhetoric above and peoples perceptions about them, both Romney and Obama support a decent portion of GDP flowing through the government for defense and social entitlements, that should both put them on the left side of economics.

 

As far as I am concerned, I am sick of the entire lot. Not one, not a single one of the candidates, even addresses the real elephant in the room, which is the huge arterial bleed into China, and wherever cheap slave labor can be found.
As long as we don't get to the root of the problem, all else is nothing but a bandage patching up the Hoover Dam.
For now, we might just flip a coin.
Arguing for one or the other is just useless. Those who argue for Obama should realize by now that he is totally inept, and those who sing Romney's praises should look at his actual record, hoping no one here will dig up threads from the beginning of the primaries, and all that was said about him.

 

I see. I think they measure economic liberal and conservative a little differently than you do. This compass measures overall grand strategy, its not really just international or domestic or economic or social. The US has moved far right economically especially after Reagan.

 

I would argue the real problem is social entitlements and defense spending. This is a global economy, I dont see the problem with having certain parts and goods manufactured in other nations like many die-hard nationalists do. I think everyone would love for more goods manufactured here in the states. It would be nice to see employee costs and benefits come down to make that more manageable. It is tough while living expenses in many places are so high.

 

What do you mean differences, they are like night and day or black and white. I am just kidding, I agree that there no measurable difference. If this is the best America can do we are in trouble.

 

I dont see how that is possible. What defines economic left and right in this case? Is it the same definition of statist vs libertarian or communist vs capitalist? Because if that is the case, the economy has certainly become more statist. There is still a central bank in which all money flows through. There may be a slightly smaller percentage of GDP that flows through the gov but there is a rapidly increasing spending on social entitlement spending. There is more regulatory control over the financial industry, meidcal industry, auto industry, telecom industry, etc. When you examine the bailouts which is shifting tax payer and borrowed dollars to companies and at times taking a interest in the ownership of those companies, I cannot see any better example of economic statism. We are far from Communism obviously, but we are definitely on the left side of that economic line.

 

Read the explanation at politicalcompass.org

Its total BS.

I don't believe for one sec that obama and romney are identical. Just because some web site puts out a chart doesnt make it true. Use your own brain, dont let others think for you.

 

We'll see soon, the cost of labor in China is only going to move in one direction.

 

Which parts do you find to be BS exactly? This isn't something to tell you how to think it's to tell you where you stand in relations to everybody else.

 

I don't think we are as far left as you think we are. Where would you put Adam Smith?

 

I dont think we as far right the map suggets Obama is. I believe economically we are slightly left of the center line. I am not that familiar with Smith's social viewpoints, I find it somewhat irrelevant. One thing a map does not often accurately depict is the difference between ones personal beliefs and political beliefs. For instance, Ron Paul does not support abortion, which government control of the matter may be considered authoritarian, however if he were to govern, he would defer the matter to the states which can be considered a libertarian action.

Regardless, I can't imagine how this gentleman put Gary Johnson in the middle of that chart socially. This is a guy who would legalize all drugs.

 

For the obama/romney section, the web site is totally biased almost as if they wantd to make romney and obama equal. For example

The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures &#8212; many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA.​

That makes obama a moderate? Are you kidding? Valerie Jarret, rahm emmanual, cass sunstein, eric holder, all loons from the left with a long record.

Where is the consideration of obama's policies and political opinions? They are not considered. It seems a hand picked list of obama advisors is enough to justify obama's proximity to romney.


And I took the test, some questions are not well phrased.

"Do I think the death penalty should be an option for some crimes?"

Does that mean that mandatory death penalty should be made optional (anti-death penalty), or that the use of the death penalty should be made optional for crimes that are currently not subject to the death penalt (pro death penalty)y, or does it mean that the decision should be tailored to each case and not be mandatory, or that the decision should be put in the hands of the jury?

The idea of the political compass (like the nolan chart) is good, but the web site sucks in their examples and implementation

 

He also surrounded himself with a lot of people from the right. This isn't just about one sector of policy its about overall grand strategy, and overall they're not that much different because they both flipflop all the time. Where did you end up on the chart? I ended up around 1,1.

 

Regardless of his social views, where would you place Adam Smith economically. I'm not trying to prove anything or ask a loaded question, it will just be very telling of the difference in view between you and those who made this site.

 

Oh the irony,thats something that YOU might want to try.the proof is in the pudding they are identical.If you had bothered to read the facts on this thread and the videos posted there,you would see that for yourself.

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...ns-why-you-fool-if-you-vote-obama-romney.html

Not one Romney apologist has been able to come on there and debunk those facts.They on fact cant handle the truth so much that the ones that have come on there,all they can do is act cowardly and sling childish insults instead of admitting they have been proven wrong.

 

Obama can stuff a double clutch turnaround jumper from downtown. I guarantee you Romney can NOT.