According the right wing extremists...

Anyone who receives any sort of state or federal aid should be subject the wim of said state...Meaning these recipients should be told what to eat what to buy where they can and cannot go and of course be drug tested, because as we all know everyone on government aid is a drug addict.

Ok what about your beloved corporations hm? They too receive both state and federal aid, in the form of tax cuts, blatant money giveaways and of course bought and paid for politicians. I guess my question is why is it ok for the government to dictate to welfare recipients what they can and cannot do but its "communist" to do the same for the corporations who receive the exact same form of welfare, and on top of that they receive alot more aid than any person on unemployment or food stamps.

Bottom line is extremists, if you wish to dicate to the poor and disenfranchised what they can and cannot do then the government has every right to dicate to corporations what they can and cannot do. To me if you can dictate one group you can dictate to the other. So how about dictating to corporations that they must fulfill a hiring quota, failing to do so will impose crippling fines. How about we dictate how corporations are run internally? To me thats more than fair.


Somehow I think the extremists will not go for that.

 

But the government also tells them what to do. And even if they don't, corporations still have to change. For instance, companies need to design bread that is smaller, and made with whole grains. As a result, they also have to change a lot of other things as well. For instance, butter. Who wants to wasted butter, when it can be put to porprations?

 

According to left wing extremists: Anyone should be subject the whim of the state...

 

Question is, why do we have extremists trying to call the shots? Extremists are supposed to be a powerless fringe, not the ruling class.

 

We don't though we have quite a few in congress. And they all happen to be republican.

 

as opposed to your average lefty that wants to tell everyone what to eat and how to spend their money.

 

What left-wing extremists do you mean? Other than the sock puppets.

 

Michelle Obama.

 

Why do you need an example? Do you not think left wingers don't think that people should bow to the will of the state?


For example, anyone who believes that there should be a mandate to buy health insurance. It's too many to name so I'm not going to list them.

 

I didn't use to think my views were extreme until I saw the mainstream Dems and Repubs, but I guess now I'm extreme, so here's my take.

Other than the military (and neocons have tried to (*)(*)(*)(*) that up, too), I think the government is pretty poorly run. Regulations are not always common sense--actually, rarely--and are the byproduct of bribes and fear of scandal. We can't open a building if the mirror heights don't meet codes set down by the ADA, for example. Raw milk, something people lived off of for tens of thousands of years, is verboten.

When you take a social issues like poverty and put it into the hands of a bunch of drunks and philanderers who happen also to be lawyers you get a lot of dumb ideas on how to cure them that have zero basis in reality. The poor need assistance, yes, but not in the form of project housing, phones, EBT cards, etc. that create a dependency upon unfeeling government which creates national policies and standards.

Poor people are not just poor people, they are individuals with individual reasons for their poverty. The goal is to help them, and the logical way to do that is to feed them temporarily while working with their individual talents, concerns and ethos so that they can rise from poverty with a profound sense of accomplishment.

The government can't do that, and I know liberals hate to admit this (aside from Bill Clinton), but this has always been best handled by churches and communities--something poorer areas are suffering the lack of thanks to government intervention.

Being poor, growing up in a very poor area I know that depression and poverty of spirit are the worst part of living in the ghetto. That won't be cured with EBT cards and cheap housing. That can only be cured through loving, individual support and personal success.

 

Montoya, just a few things;

The title should have probably read, "According TO the right wing extremists".
(You left out the 'to'.)

It's spelled, 'whim', not 'wim'.

The correct punctuation for the middle of your first sentence should have been, "..meaning these recipients should be told what to eat, what to buy, where they can (and cannot) go, and of course, be drug tested, because, as we all know, everyone on government aid is a drug addict". It's a bit of a run-on-sentence nightmare, no matter how you choose to punctuate it.
I would have broken it up into two or three smaller sentences, personally.

You can thank me later.
I'm always here for you, really.



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Right wingers believe this, too. Without fail they will support any anti-freedom activity coming from the government as long as its sold to keep people safe.

 

What a silly thread that's self destructing.

The liberals definitely want to have the State tell people what they can do and they have a long history of this. Corporations are also subject to more government regulation then any individual getting government aid so that's another moot point.

 

Ouch, that smarted.

 

It seems to me that the right is somewhat incoherent and contradictory in its application of basic principles of human rights.

The left seems to apply principles of human rights more universally and more generally.

 

Indeed? In what way is the left more consistent and the right inconsistent?

 

Both sides are consistent. The right is just more incoherent and contradictory.

 

So the right is both consistent and contradictory?

LOL! I think you explained it better than you know!

 

Consistently contradictory, and incoherent.

 

I see you have no problem with your tea party extremists attempting to Impose their religion through law...I see you have no problem with telling poor people what they can and cannot do, while championing that the rich must be given everything they want to "create jobs".

Right wing extremism is killing America.

 

The wim of the state is what you vote for everytime you vote Democrat.....

......a government that controls every aspect of your life....from what you eat....to your retirement....to what you drink....to your education....to your healthcare.

You keeping the Fruits of your Labor is not a handout.....its not a Government Freebie.....its not a Tax Cut......

.....its the Fruit of your Labor.....and the epitome of Freedom.
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Not taxing is a "give-a-way" of people's own money. What a joke.

 

That's because they think everything belongs to the State. Anything you get to keep shows their enormous generosity.

 

Agree! Extremism in every form is wrong!

 

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."