Theists, present your best, most compelling evidence for God

No....

 

God does not command marriage. But it's clear, and we have free will, for boys to become men, requires the devotion of fatherhood, and the CREATION of family. The act of CREATING family, is no different than God's Divine Creation of all things.

 

You're wrong. TRUE CHRISTIANS invented marriage, as we all know this ritual and practice it today. This ritual separates MAN from ANIMAL. Gays want to pretend to be higher than animals, but, they fail. Gays and homosexuality is a base desire, a carnal sin. These sinners will burn in the Hell fires. They cannot fool God. They cannot marry, because animals cannot marry.

 

The preferred marriage partner in the Bible is a close relative. Is that something you recommend?

 

or yes

 

Still lying about that even after so many people corrected you on it? How do your fellow religious types feel about you spreading these lies?

 

Don't just repeat it like a robot. lol

Would you adress my question from earlier - who were these TRUE CHRISTIANS who invented marriage, when and where did they live, name a few.

I am sure I am not the only one who is curious.

 

Hmmm, how about a Hurricane set to smite DC and NJ.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57541772/millions-brace-for-hurricane-sandys-wrath/

 

What about it?

Do you want to add it as evidence for a god? Which one?

 

The way that our universe works in harmony and provides intelligent life forms should be sufficent evidence for the existence of God. Penrose's argument is not misrepresented by theists as some atheists claim, they say that by any universe existing would be of the same odds. This however is not true, this universe does not act randomly or in a choatic manner, it functions. A universe that acted chaoticaly would not be of great surprise one that did not function in a controlled manner, would be probable. This universe does function and continues to function and behaves in a controlled manner, which is highly, highly, highly improbable. It is so improbalbe that it is very likely and reasonable and logical to assume there is design in creating our universe. To assume it is all random is highly illogical and irrational as it would mean so many variations coming together and working together to create this order and they have been continually doing it for over 13.7 billion years by chance. To come to this conclusion is having blind faith in the non-existence of a creator, the very thing atheists accuse theists of having when they claim to believe in a creator.

 

I just looked through this thread again (must be really bored, lol), so far we have as evidence:

marriage - for the Christian God
the bible - for the Christian God
probability - unspecified
the universe - unspecified
the atheists and other non-theists admissions that God exists - unspecified/Christian God?
the prophesy in Daniel 9:24-27 - for the Christian God
because despite the harsh nature and isolation of existence, beauty survives. - unspecified
The New Testament as witness account - the Christian God/Jesus


I'd like to add to this impressive list the fact that my son-in-law prays to a Ganesha altar every night for fortune in business, and he is running a business which has been lucrative and successful so far. Evidence for Ganesha.

 

The big problem of these probability arguments its that they dont solve the problem at all - just shift it from the universe to the creator (which must be even more complex and orderly). Who designed the designer?
And if highly ordered and complex creator does not need a sentient designer, why should (less complex) universe need him in the first place?

 

The way I picture it is this, when God created the material universe time was born. Time is merely a property of the material universe. Of course, we have no perception as to what an existence consists of outside the material universe, that is part of the problem. Without a point of reference, it is purely specuation.

What I can't work out in my head is that if the above scenerio is not true, then when did time begin? Make no mistake, time measures a beginning point and an ending point, so what was the beginning point and why? From a scientific perspective the beginning point was the Big Bang. We an only look back around 15 billion years ago or so. Beyond that point is unknowable.

 

Too easy.

As a Christian, you believe God created everything, yes?

Including animals, yes?

So, are you saying God created gay people specifically? Since they are apparently a seperate species according to you. Then why is it a sin?

You contradict yourself. Congratulations.

 

How do you know this? Especially since you say we can't see back more than 15 billion years.

 

No one knows what lies beyond the Big Bang. Is that what you mean?

If so, all that lies beyond it is speculation. What do you think?

 

we all live beyond the big bang

what existed before time?

anyone been there, going there, want to see 'there'?

aint gonna happen!

dead issue!

 

we all live beyond the big bang

what existed before time?

anyone been there, going there, want to see 'there'?

aint gonna happen!

dead issue!

 

Sorry, I should have said what lies before the Big Bang, not beyond.

 

I do not understand why many atheists and agnostics keep using this argument, do they not realise that it makes no sense. The designer is the point of origin, what is so hard to understand about that. No one designed the designer. The first cause must have always existed, the first cause must be a creative cause in order for anything else to exist. It is simple logic and a rational assumption, where as to assume this just happened by luck is completely irrational.

 

I do not understand why many atheists and agnostics keep using this argument, do they not realise that it makes no sense. The designer is the point of origin, what is so hard to understand about that. No one designed the designer. The first cause must have always existed, the first cause must be a creative cause in order for anything else to exist. It is simple logic and a rational assumption, where as to assume this just happened by luck is completely irrational.

 

In a microcosm-Earth
In a macrocosm-Universe

Be it a cabin in the woods or a skyscraper in Dubai, neither "happened" without a designer, preparation and execution. If this is so in our experience why shouldn't one expect some semblance of this process inherent in the greatest creation we witness daily?

 

At the moment I think it's like this joke about maths:

An infinite number of mathematicians enter a bar. The barman asks what they want. The first mathematician orders a pint of beer. The second one orders a half pint. The third one orders a quarter pint. The barman says, "you're all idiots," and pours two pints.

In other words, I think it may be finite in some ways and infinite in others. This is nothing more than a hunch, though, as I agree that we don't know enough. You seemed to be quite definitive in your statements though and I just wondered why you were so certain.

 

Lets see if your logic and rationality stands up to some questioning then.

Why are you so certain that no one designed the designer? Why must there be a first cause? Why is an infinite regression impossible? And equally, if one thing can exist that requires no designer, why can't that one thing be the universe?

And, on the other end, here's an easier one for you: why is it irrational to think that existence is the result of blind luck?

 

No one has yet evidenced that there was ever a first cause.