Theists, present your best, most compelling evidence for God

Theists (read Neutral), this is your chance to finally put your money where your mouth is and present your best most compelling pieces of evidence for the existence of a deity. You guys claim that evidence should sway atheists and here is your opportunity to convert some of us.

I would ask that you only do single arguments in each post just to keep the different veins of argument uncluttered.

 

Sigh... Doesn't anybody on here ever get sick of these?

I do not have to prove my faith to anybody.

God exists because I believe he exists. Because I know he exists in my heart. That's all I need to be happy with my faith.

Sorry that Athiests and theists alike cannot understand this.

If you don't believe he exists, nothing I can say will change your mind, just like nothing you will say will change my mind.

Truth is, if God wanted you to believe Him, then God would make it happen. But we habe free will, the freedom to believe or not believe, and face the consequences of the decision.

Kudo's to theists and Athiests for exercising this right.


Sorry, but these "prove/disprove God exists" threads are annoying and they never lead anywhere.

 

1, The first and best example for the existence of God is marriage, which True Christians invented, and spread throughout the world. Before True Christianity, there was no such thing as marriage in existence. This was given, as a gift from God, to the first TRUE CHRISTIANS. These first TRUE CHRISTIANS then spread this idea around the world, to inspire other cultures to develop systems of marriage.

Animals do not marry. Marriage does NOT EXIST in the animal kingdom, meaning, that marriage separates men from animals. You can tell who a real man is, by his demonstration of marital values and practice. Homosexuals want to marry, to pretend that they are human, and to pretend that atheists and secularists can have morals. This is COMPLETELY FALSE. Atheists and secularists only claim to want marriage, and practice marriage, as a COPY of what comes natural to TRUE CHRISTIANS ONLY. Marriage comes natural to TRUE CHRISTIANS, but others want to MIMIC this practice, this HOLY INSTITUTION OF FAMILY AND SANCTITY. Atheists and secularists pretend that they can marry, but, they ultimately fail. Marriage separates man from animal, proving the existence of God, who granted this institution to mankind. Men who do not marry, and build successful families, are failures in life, and will be judged by God negatively. A man without family, is nothing, and is not a man, but is actually a boy or has the mind of a child. He is irresponsible and not responsible for anything. This is a SIN against God. Irresponsibility is a SIN against God.


2, Atheists and Zionist, crypto-Jews, secularists, all claim that our TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD is a "spaghetti monster", or a "She", or other stupid things, when you demand atheists to define God. Atheists are stupid, subhumans, and away from God. Atheists are scared of God, because they don't want to be serious about God. They want to MOCK and RIDICULE HIM. They want to make fun of God, and desecrate all that is holy and worthy and meaningful and purposeful in life. They want to (*)(*)(*)(*) on God. Part of this desecration is calling God "invisible" or "supernatural", or all kinds of bogus nonsense. Atheists paint God as something stupid, to feel better about themselves. This proves that Atheists are untrustworthy, and cannot address God and morality, in any serious or adult manner. Atheists and Zionists are pathetic, losers. And they will burn in Hell for rejecting the TRULY CHRISTIAN GOD.


3, Morals prove the existence of God. Morality cannot exist without God, a power HIGHER THAN ALL MAN, to direct and justify the behaviors of men. Without God, atheists like Stalin take law into their own hands, and men believe themselves equal to gods. This is BLASPHEMY. This is one of the highest sins against God, for men to pretend that they are comparable to God, or can know God without worship, sacrifice, and humility. Like atheists, many fools believe that they can have the BENEFITS OF TRUE CHRISTIANITY, without the SACRIFICE that TRUE CHRISTIANS endure.

God creates all universal, objective Law. Without God, then law is nothing more than men enforcing their own, subjective, fallible, false rules against others. There would be no objective standards, no ethics, no true morality, and morality would be enforced by guns and military dictatorship. This is against God.

 

This argument is very sound and compelling. I think the debate is over. Your evidence is overwhelming. It is obvious to me now from reading this post that there is a God. The part about atheists being stupid and subhuman was especially moving. Who wants to be those things? Excellent post. Do you mind if I quote some of it for my signature?

 

That's right, you don't have to prove a thing to anybody.

If your faith brings peace and contentment to into your life and the lives of those around you, there is not much more that you can ask of it.

I see your posts and I think you are a good person and a good spokesperson for your faith.

I don't entirely agree that threads like this serve no purpose. While it might be true that none of the participants are ever convinced one way or another, because most of them are here to score points or just attempt to correct ignorance, there are people reading them that might be swayed.

 

I was a Christian kid playing on the internet many years ago when I started coming across postings like these which eventually educated me enough so that I dumped religion.

These threads can certainly make a difference. Many of the adults are lost forever, but children who read postings like these can be converted to Atheism rather easily. I would speculate that the internet has been as great a help to Atheism as the Inquisition was for Christianity. Young Christians are dropping like flies and going to Atheism and it is largely due to forums like these which clearly depict the theist unable to support his assertions time and time again.

I wouldn't say this is good or bad, just far more effective than you guys seem to realize. People do read this stuff who might not be regular posters or who might only just be starting to learn about things. You theists should take this more serious and perhaps put some more thought into your arguments. It's naive to think that everyone else in the entire world has made up their minds for good, just because you have and the topic has become stale from your perspective.

You should still try to provide a coherent justification for the sake of the never-ending new generations constantly coming up and trying to figure things out for the first time.

 

Um, marriage was around before Christ, therefore before Christianity. The rest of it is babble.

 

The majority of the posts in this forum is about why people do/do not, should/should not believe in God regardless of their thread title and yet you participate. I'm not saying that's a negative thing but rather more telling than this individual post unless of course your participation is to end the conversation.

As an agnostic/atheist if someone presented real evidence for the existance of any God I would be compelled by reason to believe, the flip side to that is when science changes the world that now only exists in the pages of the bible theists faith only gets stronger so the idea that atheists and theists are similar in respect to whether or not their minds can be changed isn't honest.

That is the fundamental difference between theism and atheism which alone refutes the idea that atheism is a religion. Our minds are changed all the time as we have no specific ideology we must adhere to. We go where the facts are, we stand by the most compelling evidence and because we are skeptics first and foremost we simply cannot accept something based on anothers personal experience.

This conversation isn't about how people feel personally, it's much larger than any individual, this conversation is about what's best for the future of humanity and both sides involved in the conversation are compelled by different forces to prove their position, if they weren't they wouldn't be having it.

One side suggests the best way forward is to constantly search for a better understanding, for better answers based on the fact that the more we know the more things change whereas the other side suggests they already have the best understanding and that there is only one answer. These are very bold concepts with a lot at stake. Asking either side to prove themselves is anything but a waste of time.

 

This is a totally fair answer. "I don't have proof because my belief is based on faith" is 100% a viable answer to this question.

However, it invalidates any attempt to have your religion enshrined in law or enforced against any other people.

 

Seriously when are you going to let me send your posts to Saturday Night Live?

 

Marriage predates Christianity and Bible. If this is your best evidence, then you have failed horribly.

 

omg


that is a human being!!!!!!

but f'NO on the 'waste' of time!!!!



We have the next generations to live in.


The ONE side with the 'already know' there is only ONE answer, are in many senses, correct. Just like at the other camp of fact finders (science minded (we all got it)). We all have that integrity in there but facing it, hurts sometimes. Truth, has no debate. It is what is real.

That last word to all arguments is the name of the boss.

defines the process of nature, existence itself

moral or responsible obligation, is to life (purposed to continue (once started, it is))

All three disciplines of knowledge: theological, scientific, philosophical do combine.

The paradigm shift to comprehending existence itself is changing and is based on understanding the 'life' that we are, within nature itself. "WE" are light upon mass, capable of causing life, by choice, and live longer..... and all the while know it!

'we' are it, defining itself!

and i be the idiot who actually did the homework, for one purpose; to understand

If you are a part of 'it' and know it..... teach the next generations as soon as possible and eventually, Peace.

 

Theists, present your best, most compelling evidence for God

The Bible.

It has predicted Armageddon(WW3) which is about to happen in the middle East.

 

Now you just have to prove that the Bible's claims are true.

 

Stay tuned. Your Dear Leader Obama is fudging it right along.. on schedule. all he needs is 4 More Years.

 

Um... even if we go strictly by the Bible, plenty of marriage happened before Christ. Unless you're claiming Jews are somehow Christian, I really don't know what the hell you're getting at.

Animals may not "marry", but there are several species that are monogamous.

If we were afraid of God, then why would we mock a being that would send us to eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation? Your argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you're assuming all non-believers are masochists.

Morals partly derive from instincts that are passed down genetically.

God appears to have been very selective in what cultures he's established "objective law." China is apparently mostly devoid of it. A billion or so people follow Allah rather than the Christian God, so I guess they must lack it too.

 

Wait a minute. I thought you guys wanted the world to end. If the Rapture idea is true, wouldn't you want Christ to return?

4 more years indeed, am I right?

 

Hummingbirds.

 

Yeah... people have thought that end times have been coming since Revelation was written two thousand years ago. But you guy must be right THIS TIME, right?

 

I was talking about all of the past events that the Bible purports as true that the evidence contradicts (global flood I'm looking at you).

 

the Rapture is already happening my friend. the "physical" tale told to people is a lie. it's a mental Rapture.

 

the only contradictions in the Bible are the ones created by the misinterpretations of the scriptures by the Churches. Catholic, Protestant, Baptists, Methodidsts, etc....

 

Ahhh, so only YOU know the truth or should I include the people who agree with your interpretations as well?

So much for Gods word.

 

The global flood contradicts reality. No evidence for such a flood exists.

 

Well, there are quite a few evangelicals who need that explained to them then.