Ron Paul would have defeated Obama

They were created because seniors had the highest poverty rates in America. Despite the good will of the neighbors.

 

If we had sound monetary policies to control inflation this would not be a problem. People could save--as they are supposed to do--enough money for their retirement and/or depend upon their own relatives and children as the human race has done since time began. My parents cared for me and I care for them. This is how it should be. I should not be responsible for caring for other people to a greater extent than I do or could do for my own family.

This is unnatural and wrong to force someone in to such an involuntary action.



Taxes are theft.[/QUOTE]

 

That was a typo. I meant to type: Taxes are not theft.

 

Why did they have the highest poverty rates? Let's not talk about cold medicines that mask the symptoms. Why did seniors have such a high poverty rate?

 

What happens if I refuse to pay?

 

What is the problem with inflation and why can't people save now?

Good for you. If everyone did that we might not need SS. But they don't.

Why?

 

You get fined or your assets get taken.

 

Because many couldn't afford to save or didn't. Despite how independent you say they are.

 

So where are all these rich folks? ...they should be clamoring for a Paul presidency

By the way, it's not "redistributing" to refrain from stealing something, and income tax is hardly the issue. The poor suffer more from the taxation of oil, energy, cigarettes, etc. than any rich person does.

 

Good questions. Care to take a stab?

Social Security is a pay-in system. You get back because you put in (unlike some of our "greater good" programs). It is a forced savings account, not a gift. So, again, I ask...why is it a bad thing that people are allowed to have that money to save for themselves?

Because it is immoral to take from one person and give to someone else without their willful consent. When you do that you rob money from people who wouldn't do it otherwise to care for those whom you decide is an appropriate recipient of their hard work, and you rob from people like me--who gladly give--the means of placing that money in a program that has a feedback loop so that I know that the funds are being used well and that the most people will be helped effectively.

 

And what happens then when all the jerks decide to stop working like they're threatening now? They won't be saving or putting in. What happens if they do this?

 

Many were. However, I think most realized that putting money into Paul was a losing proposition and they had a much better chance with Romney, who also pandered to them.

It's redistribution when your policies decrease wages and incomes of the middle class for the benefit of the richest as has been the case for most of the past 30 years.

 

Many were. However, I think most realized that putting money into Paul was a losing proposition and they had a much better chance with Romney, who also pandered to them.

It's redistribution when your policies decrease wages and incomes of the middle class for the benefit of the richest as has been the case for most of the past 30 years.

 

Rapidaly fluctuating inflation will have negative effects because it imperils the ability to plan.

But a stable 2-3% rate is a good thing. It prevents the medium of exchange from having independent investment value and thereby encourages investement over hoarding.

That is a bit of a myth. What you paid in has been spent on current beneficiaries used to fund tax cuts that mostly benefited the richest.

I never claimed it was a bad thing that people are allowed to have that money to save for themselves. I encourage everyone to save.

That is an overbroad statement. If you an I have a contract which calls me to pay you for your sevices, and you perform them but I don't pay you, IMO it is not immoral at all to take from me even if I don't conscend to it.

Likewise, if you join a club which provides benefits but you don't pay the dues, IMO it is not immoral at all to take from you even if you don't conscend to it.

See my examples above. That is not robbery at all.

 

When you mean "assets taken" do you mean your body? Like how Wesley Snipes is in jail and Lauren Hill is going to jail and Sherry Peele Jackson went to jail?

 

So you support a system that removes from your paycheck monies to put aside for your golden years which won't match inflation?

And yet...you know what I mean. Yes, we all know that the taxes that I pay go to the generation ahead of me, but the people behind me pay for me...the point is that you put in so you can take out.

Then why are you making a big deal out of it when you are saying that you don't believe it is a bad thing that people have that money back to save for themselves?

You and I would have to agree to that contract and my participation has to be voluntary.

If I do not want the benefits then I would not pay dues to a club that I never intend to use. It would then be wrong for you to come to my house, kick in my door, take my money and then tell me I can use the pool if I feel like it.

But your scenario is worse because not only are you stealing my money and saying I can use the pool I never said I wanted to use, but also that my money will pay for a guy to use it that didn't get his door kicked in or his money taken.

 

When you forcibly take something from someone, it's theft.

 

Which is.......::drum roll::

Theft.

 

You also go to jail if you attempt to protest the income tax.

 

No, it's not.

If you agree with me to pay me $1000 to fix your car, and I fix your car but you do not pay me, me forcibly takning something from you is not theft.

 

No, only if you fail to file returns or committ fraud. You can protest all you want.

 

No it's not. It is a penalty for not doing what you are obligated to do.

Same thing if you are obligated by contract to pay and you don't.

 

No, you just want to live in a country where working and middle classes can't effectively save to be independent due to wild inflation, and where they live off of a fixed income that's barely worth anything when they get older.

 

Sheer insanity.

 

Who said it won't match inflation? It has more than matched inflation in the past.

Taxes are not an investment. They are an obligation for the privilege of living in this society. They are not an investement and there is no guaranteed return.

You lost me. Why am I making a big deal out of what?

Sure.

Then you should not be in the club.

Of course.

Where in my scenario is anyone stealing anything?

It doesn't matter if you belong to the club that you never use the pool. You still have to pay the dues.